Irish girls are being subjected to this

I agree.

I knew about the connections between the German Green Party and the advocacy for pedophilia but this is a whole other level of state sponsored depravity. It seems extraordinary (or not) that the international mainstream media has not been all over the story. The whole thing is really shocking.

I actually think it's worth it own thread Keating

Thanks for this @TheKeatingFive . What an incredible article.
I'm left feeling that like we are just playing a small part in an eternal battle- bigger than all of us. Knowledge of history is so important in recognizing these repeated, overarching themes.

What people need to do is to be able to make links and see the big picture. But the speed, profusion, and fragmentation of the current world (media etc) prevents most from doing that maybe?

This is so recent! (what happened in this article)- and yet how quickly we forget even very recent things that have happened in this country. None are so blind and all that. I'd like to say more on this but my mind is too blown right now!

There's also a strong connection with TRA and left wing, which is playing a role too, particularly in Scotland.

That's an interesting explanation of why Ireland and Scotland have both gone in hook line and sinker while England hasn't.

How does your ex think it will be stopped given Gender Ideology is on the new RSE curriculum and feels like a fait accompli even though there is a consultation process on at the moment? (Please get your submissions in soon people, it closes 18th Oct). When the proposed curriculum was announced the outcry seemed to be about teaching about pornography rather than teaching gender ideology.

Good grief, what have I just read?🤢

That is absolutely shocking @TheKeatingFive

I truly despair at where we find ourselves. I'm in NI and watching our (formerly sensible) moderate parties jumping up and down for self ID. Surely they can see what's going on across the border? It's a collective madness.

We are in headlong flight from religion and desperate to be liberal and progressive

One thing this has taught me. Beware the pendulum swing.

There are parallels with this, which shocked me to my core when I first read about it.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

We are in headlong flight from religion and desperate to be liberal and progressive. Same as the Scots , only in their case its Presbyterianism.

The English don't have this residual guilt thing . They don't need to over compensate. Because they've been agnostic this last hundred years.

Funny enough my English ex thinks trans ideology will never be taught in Irish schools . She's an atheist but has faith in the awesome power of the RCC. Not sure it exists anymore tbh

Oh Flywheel I know what your saying. I am an atheist and used to find it infuriating that so many schools are Catholic, but now it’s probably the only thing keeping this away from the younger kids.
I was a member of that Facebook group about raising not religious kids and I can’t get over how people who mock and belittle Catholicism so much have unquestionably accepted Gender Ideology. In Ireland of all places we should know better regards the dangers of things that must not be questioned. We know anything that gets that power causes harm.

Thanks flywheel

Funnily enough I sent both my children to a Catholic primary school. My son is in 5th class and no mention of gender yet.

My daughter is in an educate together secondary. They are falling over themselves to be inclusive.

Good luck OKPedro. My kids schools are very "unwoke". I used to resent that all the good local schools were Catholic schools but I'm grateful now for their conservative ethos. Although soon this shite will probably be embedded in the curriculum and then there will be no escape

I sent an email to her tutor and he replied back with a copy of the policy and then signed off "kind regards Paul he/him/his" which he has never done before! I'm setting up a meeting with the year head

I will be making noise at that school.

Please do, it's the only way

I have just received my 13 year old daughters schools new "gender identity policy" to say I am furious is an understatement. I will be making noise at that school. The main thing is that if a student wants to transition they can speak in confidence to a specific gender policy teacher(!) If the student gives consent only then will the school inform the parents. Over night trips the "trans" student can chose which gender they feel comfortable sharing with!

Really interesting Wanderigowl. I was thinking about this the other day when reading about the situation in Scottish prisons. It seems much worse there, despite not having self ID yet.

The trans prisoners are kept in solitary as the service are citing Rule 63 of the Irish Prison Rules 2007, which relates to vulnerable prisoners who may be at risk from other prisoners or who might pose a risk to other inmates. So, it's pretty obvious that there is someone or someone's who has gone out of their way to keep the trans prisoners away from the women.

Yes, a lot really needs to be changed, as soon as possible. The GRA is a fucking time bomb of disaster after disaster. But right now women in our prisons are safer than they are in the UK. That's really huge. Most especially for those women. But also because it shows that the institutional capture we're experiencing is not without very real internal resistance.

The details are in the 2021 report of the Office of the Inspector of Prisons. Amnesty International, the NCWI and certain local politicians tried to kick up a big stink about the horrible treatment of the poor transwomen when it came out last year.
www.oip.ie/

They are in a women's prison, or the women's wing if you prefer. I cannot see that as a positive. How that is being implemented may be better than other alternatives (I'm thinking Canada in particular) but I don't share your positivity.

Like TheKeatingFive I'd like to see corroboration of the claim that someone high up is making conscious decisions. TBH even if they are, if it is dependent on an individual rather than the legislative system there is no guarantee that this particular implementation will continue.

The prison service is obeying the letter of the law but someone high up in the service is clearly unwilling to allow them any access to women prisoners and has created rules for their treatment that ensure the safety of the women in their care.

Is that corroborated anywhere? I'd obviously love to believe that's the case.

They haven't. They are in the women's wing of the prison but kept in isolation away from the women. And women prison guards are never left alone with them. The prison service is obeying the letter of the law but someone high up in the service is clearly unwilling to allow them any access to women prisoners and has created rules for their treatment that ensure the safety of the women in their care.

It's really important that we are accurate in what we are claiming is happening. If we claim worse things are happening than actually are we will look hyperbolic and it will make it so very much harder to get public support. The prison situation in Ireland is significantly better than in the UK because clearly someone in the service is not captured. And we should acknowledge that.

I'm not sure can I link this but this is the Countess site and their prison section:
thecountess.ie/tag/prisons/

I'm not sure what you're saying about prisons. They've already housed men in female prisons here (in one of the most crowded prisons in the country) but they seem to be supervised (which is kind of acknowledging that they're men isn't it?) Last I heard there were three in Limerick. On the upside it clearly means we don't all believe people actually change sex, but the fact that you can be accused of a serious crime (including sexual and violent crimes against women and children), then apply for and get magicked into womanhood and sent to the women's prison is not really great news or sign of anyone having their head screwed on right.

That's an excellent post @Wanderingowl

Yes and no. I think that we need to try and be completely accurate about what is going on here or we will struggle even harder to change things. Two things are very, very bad here. The first is the sneaky passing of The Gender Recognition act, which is genuinely a fucking shit show in waiting. The other, which I think is common in a lot of the west, is the capture of all of our campaigning organisations, like the WCI (formerly NWCI), Amnesty, BeLonGTo, etc. But what makes it worse here, is that we are coming right off the back of two major progressive, very popular referendums. So those captured organisations have such massive widespread good will from the general populace and media. I think most of us here were probably involved in those referendum campaigns and certainly by 2018, and the signs were already there that trans issues were being pushed. (Apart from within, In Her Shoes, where Erin D'Arcy kept them out.)

On the other hand, as much as we allow people to self-ID as the opposite sex, to date, the prison service is working hard to keep transwomen away from women prisoners. I know this may not seem like a lot, but we do have a prison service that is copped on enough to keep violent sex offenders away from vulnerable women prisoners and to not allow them to be alone with women prison guards. And unfortunately that's actually huge right now. Because in the UK, that's not the case even if technically the the transwomen have more 'rights' in Ireland. In practical terms, someone/s at the top in the prison service has their head screwed on. The campaigning groups are campaigning against the prison service here. But I think we know from the Birthing Parent/Liveline/Dublin Pride debacle in June, that if/when there is any legal challenge to house someone like Barbie Kardashian with women, people won't go along with it.

She really is a horror show, I'm so ashamed that she's Irish.

Between this and the removal of single sex toilets in (new and retrofitted) schools I'm so concerned for our teens

The fact I worked in construction probably delayed my transition quite a bit. I've many years of experience, working at a high level in multinational companies, but when I applied for a job 12 years ago, I didn't believe I'd get a fair shake at an interview if I presented myself as female and trans at that.
From the linked article m.independent.ie/life/what-it-feels-like-to-tell-your-colleagues-youve-become-a-woman-36144509.html

Not the first transwoman I've heard say that! What a privilege to be able to decide when you can be a woman in order to protect your career.