Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

I believe the Farrows' house belongs to the church and they are merely "tied" tenants.

Thank you so much. That’s a brill and very clear explanation!

Thank you. It seems I have to be more patient!

MrsMorton

Yes mal comms is an either way offence and not indictable. Under Section 17 the definition of indictable includes either way offences.

beastlyslumber

its not something in law that police officers have to say that they can force entry although many would so it’s clear what legal power they are using and give the person the chance to come out.

It’s possible that the Officers thought that CF might close the door on them so rather than having to speak to her through the door to persuade her to come out or even force entry by kicking the door or using a door ram which causes damage, they decided to grab the door there and then and go in.

Here’s the government explanation of DDOS:

www.ncsc.gov.uk/collection/denial-service-dos-guidance-collection

if you wait it should let you in eventually - or you could try a refresh or a different browser. Weirdos constantly try and attack the site which slows it down (it happens to Mumsnet occasionally too).

It’s just their DDOS guard - it’s the equivalent of night club bouncer.

They used to use an external company to do that job but after a kerfuffle (long story, on the other thread!) they ended up creating their own.

A DDOS attack is basically multiple bots trying to open a website simultaneously, overloading it, causing it to crash and thus rendering it inaccessible to everyone- while that page is running they are just checking you are a single user and not part of a robot army.

Gurl I got that yesterday, and then when it was satisfied, it let me in,

I have been following all of this with mounting horror. Just one thing. I have read quite a lot on Kiwifarms in the past and thought I would pay it a visit today, but all I get is this and nothing else happens. Any ideas?

But the police in the Mail article said it was a request for a voluntary interview. If they had the right to force their way in and arrest her, why didn't they say that? They are muddying the waters. I suspect deliberately. Surely only a matter of time before they are reprimanded over this whole situation.

Mal Comms is an either way offence though, not indictable? Or does PACE treat them the same?

Mrs Morton

I obviously wasn’t there but what I can say is that the Police would not have the grounds to force their way into an address to request if someone would be interviewed voluntarily. It would be illegal, they would not have the grounds to do that and are liable to be sued. If the person had already refused then that is totally different.

The police are allowed to enter an address using reasonable force to arrest someone if the offence is not a summary offence (malicious communications is not a summary offence) and they believe the person who they need to arrest is inside the address.

So as the Officers believed that CF was inside the address as the picture shows them speaking to CF at the front door and as the offence CF was going to be arrested for is not a summary offence, this means the Officers can legally enter the address by grabbing the door and going inside to arrest her.

it’s under Section 17 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act.

That's awful, Snape. So terrible.

I pray you and your household are able to find peace despite all this.

Are you and your husband supported by the diocese? (Does the Catholic church even organise by Diocese?)

They said “there’s been an allegation….can we come in?”

I said no I’d rather not, have you got a warrant?

Leant over, grabbed door, we don’t need one you are under arrest.

It was a quote from the police, Snape. I think the police are the ones who are lying have got this wrong.

Nobody offered me the opportunity of an interview. Mail has got this bit wrong.

What are you suggesting happened here? That the police didn't force their way in? Or that CF refused a voluntary interview?

The Police would not force their way into an address to get someone to comply with a voluntary procedure like a voluntary interview.

What often happens is that if someone refuses to take part in a voluntary interview which prevents an offence being investigated, then this gives a constable a power to enter an address to arrest someone - if the offence is what is called an either way or indictable offence.

Well ordered and correctly numbered exhibits is just how any evidence is seized and named. Nothing more than that. It needs to be referred to in an interview using a proper exhibit number.

Thanks @TheClogLady that was an interesting read about the farms

So the police in that Mail article said that Caroline was "requested to attend a voluntary interview"

IANAL however can the police force their way into your house to request you attend a voluntary interview.

The police had seemingly been presented with a number of well ordered and correctly numbered exhibits. It was almost as though they had been handed a pre-written case

That is interesting.............. though obviously I won't speculate

Pretty certain that High Priests, Priestesses& NonbinaryFolx of Genderism speak out against Catholicism, so…

I'd have thought the major difference was that the Pope spoke out against gender identity.

Well, quite!

The major difference between Catholicism and Transactivism is that Catholicism is no longer the ‘in thing’.

One difference between Catholicism and Gender Ideology beliefs is that it's now hundreds of years ago that in the UK adherence to Catholicism was compulsory and rigorously enforced with deviation from the faith punished.

I think we were less than 3 pages into this thread before someone had said accusingly "she's catholic!" to rhyme with "she eats kittens!" and intended as a justification for "we don't care what happens to people Like That do we ? Letting down the tone of the neighbourhood, rights are only for people Like Me'.

This was analysed in some depth.

But yes, even Catholics have equality of rights Virginia, they really do.

And you could have a fun time drawing lines between traditional Catholicism and the Gender Ideology beliefs.

Sacred leaders, faith based position, the miracle of transubstantiation, the outcasts and sinners, original sin of females, removing children from sinner families to be raised In the Faith, it's all there. In a heavily medieval form. We've had gulags suggested, I suspect the Magdalen Laundries would be very much approved of as an answer to T**fs.