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Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

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ScreamingMeMe · 04/10/2022 08:10

Long twitter thread here. She's had her electronic devices seized too, and has been accused of being certain posters on Kiwi Farms and Mumsnet

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly and @BreakWindandFire sorry to tag you but she's been accused of being you!

We all know who this will be, but as Caroline says, please don't speculate/discuss them.

twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1577092705154666496?t=Cv7tRv3YdqIogpXT_MSwZQ&s=19

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Helleofabore · 04/10/2022 15:50

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:42

what with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?

Honesty, I've never much understood how that works. I think if you think such an integral part of my identity is some kind of evil then no, you don't really like me. I wouldn't be friends with anyone who held those beliefs. I was hesitant about dating a religious person because if this sort of thing that comes up regarding sins, I'm just thankful he's not that type. He's quite liberal for a Catholic really.

I really do hope she would extend the kindness she is shown to those that she thinks are deviants. But then, I guess it's somewhat easy to be nice to gay people in life when you believe that they are going to be tortured for eternity when they die.

Either way. My point was not that she deserves this! I just didn't think simply "anti gay marriage" got across what she thinks.

For fucks sake. She is right here.... ask her. Rather than make crap up.

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:49

TheClogLady · 04/10/2022 15:40

it seems to be the common position amongst all but hellfire baptists tho!

personally I have no religious beliefs at all but I don’t want to live in a country where religious beliefs are persecuted. Fuck knows our history is littered with the terrible stuff that happened when such illiberal thoughts take hold.

Never said they should be outlawed! It is strange that they choose to die on the hill of "being gay is a sin" though but wouldn't think twice about eating shellfish or any other thing that is supposedly wrong in the Bible. Some like to pick and choose

SnapeAlways · 04/10/2022 15:47

But then, I guess it's somewhat easy to be nice to gay people in life when you believe that they are going to be tortured for eternity when they die.

I don’t believe that at all and neither does mainstream Christianity. I am too tired to go theological but I’m really sorry if people have this impression.

Sophoclesthefox · 04/10/2022 15:47

Helleofabore · 04/10/2022 14:39

I can spot at least one poster who can only do nit picky sophistry, most often on threads about certain women, through whatever name change they have, and is utterly incapable of engaging with any substantive matter. Best ignored.

Yes. Else we might get into recounting past deeds still unanswered ....

Ha! We might indeed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/10/2022 15:44

AND dislike the fact that MN is on the warpath for a privileged woman without single other comment about wrongful arrest & power-abusing harassment frequently happening to less well-off women

MN FWR was also "on the warpath" for disabled Jenni Swayne, arrested for feminist stickering and left to find her own way home at 3 am on her mobility scooter after hours in the police station without her meds.

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:42

what with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?

Honesty, I've never much understood how that works. I think if you think such an integral part of my identity is some kind of evil then no, you don't really like me. I wouldn't be friends with anyone who held those beliefs. I was hesitant about dating a religious person because if this sort of thing that comes up regarding sins, I'm just thankful he's not that type. He's quite liberal for a Catholic really.

I really do hope she would extend the kindness she is shown to those that she thinks are deviants. But then, I guess it's somewhat easy to be nice to gay people in life when you believe that they are going to be tortured for eternity when they die.

Either way. My point was not that she deserves this! I just didn't think simply "anti gay marriage" got across what she thinks.

TheClogLady · 04/10/2022 15:40

Electrix · 04/10/2022 15:35

what with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?

Personally think that's a massive cop out

it seems to be the common position amongst all but hellfire baptists tho!

personally I have no religious beliefs at all but I don’t want to live in a country where religious beliefs are persecuted. Fuck knows our history is littered with the terrible stuff that happened when such illiberal thoughts take hold.

SnapeAlways · 04/10/2022 15:38

They could have issued a search warrant, taken devices and invited me in for interview afterwards. No need to search my socks for drugs & deprive me of my liberty.

I cannot go into detail but it seems that essentially this is about a Twitter spat and comments on Antipodean website posted by other people.

One poster had posted screenshots from MN and I was asked “what’s going on in this post”. I had to read it a few times and say, without context it seemed very rude and that these appeared to be posts from MN because the header said Mumsnet.com

The police then pointed at the screenshots and asked who are these people, are they you?!

Electrix · 04/10/2022 15:35

what with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?

Personally think that's a massive cop out

Believerinbiology · 04/10/2022 15:35

If writing something that may offend on the internet is a crime why haven't those individuals who have made vast amounts of well documented thinly veiled threats, disgusting remarks, memes etc aimed at C Farrow been arrested?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/10/2022 15:31

I was in a similar position, before even interviewing me, I was offered a 'deal'.

I was in one country and the computer I was accused of using was on a different continent.

I had to explain tot he police what an IP address was.

No matter how appalled you are you cannot know what it feels like to be in a police station with a person interviewing you who isn't actually listening.

That's shocking @sashh was it about trans stuff or something else?

yourhairiswinterfire · 04/10/2022 15:26

or if it’s malicious communications (grossly offensive or threatening) then the Police are duty bound to investigate it. Yes, there are loads more important issues for them to deal with but they have to be impartial and not show bias by deciding what not to investigate so their hands are tied really.

I'd believe they were impartial and unbiased if they did something about the transactivists threatening to rape and murder women. I know women who have reported such threats and were advised by the police to just come off social media.

Yet a certain group of people can go crying to them over silly memes and the police jump into action.

It's ridiculous.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/10/2022 15:25

Womblesgash · 04/10/2022 15:18

I might have missed it but it would be worth knowing exactly what comments or behaviour is being investigated as a harassment and if this was widely shared or made privately to one person. Harassment covers a large range of behaviours.

Some posters have raised some points which could do with clarification.

If what CF said or has done is seen by the Police to come under harassment that causes alarm or distress (in a nutshell the test applied by Police here is would a normal person feel alarm or distress) or if it’s malicious communications (grossly offensive or threatening) then the Police are duty bound to investigate it. Yes, there are loads more important issues for them to deal with but they have to be impartial and not show bias by deciding what not to investigate so their hands are tied really.

Say someone reports CF for such an offence, they will have to show some proof of it like emails or actual evidence to back their complaint up which would then give the ‘reasonable suspicion ’.

The comment the Officer made about finding the evidence is more to do with proving what the person who made the report said by looking at CF’s laptop/computer.

Entering an address. The Police do not need a warrant to enter an address if they are there to arrest someone for an either an indictable or either way offence which harassment is, so yes they can use reasonable force to enter.

Police do need to have what is called a ‘necessity to arrest’ someone (as opposed to asking them to attend a station to be interviewed voluntarily) so in these circumstances seizing laptops as evidence would give them that necessity to turn up and enter CF’s address to arrest her. If they rang CF in advance to say they wished to interview her then it’s possible evidence can be destroyed or concealed.

Thank you.

I have always thought that even if the police were going to question/interview someone they needed a search warrant to to enter the property and take stuff away. (You can tell that all of my legal trading is courtesy of The Bill and Law & Order UK0

ImherewithBoudica · 04/10/2022 15:23

I'm not trying to dehumanise anyone. Someone being homophobic isn't an excuse to treat them unfairly. But...

Oh doesn't the 'but' say it all.

TheClogLady · 04/10/2022 15:21

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:16

Does the pope hate gay people then?

If he thinks they are deviant and wrong and sinful, I'd say yes. If he thinks they are not wrong and deviant, then no.

Is it not possible to both believe someone is devious, wrong and sinful without actually hating them?

what with all the hate the sin/love the sinner shit an all?

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:20

Even if he does, it doesn't successfully dehumanise him

I'm not trying to dehumanise anyone. Someone being homophobic isn't an excuse to treat them unfairly. But just thought it's more than "anti gay marriage" as a pp said.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 04/10/2022 15:19

There are a few people getting trapped in whataboutery again.

Aren't there just.

ImherewithBoudica · 04/10/2022 15:18

Even if he does, it doesn't successfully dehumanise him. This is like sitting in a bad 70s sit com with a toffee nosed Margo Leadbetter sniffing about how people Like That shouldn't be allowed and bring down the tone of the neighbourhood.

What did slavery, naziism, colonialism - you know, all the stuff virtuous people love to witter about how they're so very woke to the evils of - all have in common ?

Every single one of those movements had decided that a characteristic made someone 'not one of them', beneath them, and thereby dehumanised them, to the point that what happened to that person, no matter how evil and horrible and wrong, was not something to mind about . And that good people would not sympathise or care or be caught even showing concern about this.

Ffs how bloody stupid do you have to be to not realise this?

'Right side of history'..... most of the proponents of this political movement wouldn't know about their own history or world history if it bit them on the bum.

Womblesgash · 04/10/2022 15:18

I might have missed it but it would be worth knowing exactly what comments or behaviour is being investigated as a harassment and if this was widely shared or made privately to one person. Harassment covers a large range of behaviours.

Some posters have raised some points which could do with clarification.

If what CF said or has done is seen by the Police to come under harassment that causes alarm or distress (in a nutshell the test applied by Police here is would a normal person feel alarm or distress) or if it’s malicious communications (grossly offensive or threatening) then the Police are duty bound to investigate it. Yes, there are loads more important issues for them to deal with but they have to be impartial and not show bias by deciding what not to investigate so their hands are tied really.

Say someone reports CF for such an offence, they will have to show some proof of it like emails or actual evidence to back their complaint up which would then give the ‘reasonable suspicion ’.

The comment the Officer made about finding the evidence is more to do with proving what the person who made the report said by looking at CF’s laptop/computer.

Entering an address. The Police do not need a warrant to enter an address if they are there to arrest someone for an either an indictable or either way offence which harassment is, so yes they can use reasonable force to enter.

Police do need to have what is called a ‘necessity to arrest’ someone (as opposed to asking them to attend a station to be interviewed voluntarily) so in these circumstances seizing laptops as evidence would give them that necessity to turn up and enter CF’s address to arrest her. If they rang CF in advance to say they wished to interview her then it’s possible evidence can be destroyed or concealed.

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:16

Does the pope hate gay people then?

If he thinks they are deviant and wrong and sinful, I'd say yes. If he thinks they are not wrong and deviant, then no.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2022 15:15

I am sorry that you have been through this CF. I hope resolution will be quick.

BloodyHellKen · 04/10/2022 15:15

Sophoclesthefox · 04/10/2022 13:27

This is extremely worrying.

Am aghast at some people here clearly feeling that this is Ok, because they think Caroline has dreadful opinions. Am less aghast at the whataboutery over what is a minor part of the story re the sectioning, as that is very par for the course on a thread like this, about a specific named woman being targeted. I can spot at least one poster who can only do nit picky sophistry, most often on threads about certain women, through whatever name change they have, and is utterly incapable of engaging with any substantive matter. Best ignored.

There is much that I disagree with Caroline about. It seems that the absolute baseline of acceptable human interaction is that she is entitled to her viewpoint, and to be able to articulate it without being persecuted.

Indeed. I am reminded of the recent threads regarding Toby Youngs cancelled PayPal account and the right wing woman who had her bank account closed because her beliefs didn't sign with the banks ethos.
There were people on here who thought that was okay too 😳

BitossiBlues · 04/10/2022 15:15

@SnapeAlways I am so sorry for what you have endured. Please don't let this drop. Many many women are willing to contribute to a legal fund should you decide to take legal action. Please take care of yourself, and I hope you and your family are recovering and taking comfort in all the support you have out here. 💐

picklemewalnuts · 04/10/2022 15:14

There are a few people getting trapped in whataboutery again.

People shouldn't be arrested and their devices seized because someone doesn't like them.

Ever.

XSnoe · 04/10/2022 15:14

But yes, I do think it's commendable that we should not "throw her under the bus", even though she would throw many of you under the bus.