Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

I find police dressed as multicoloured striped bumblebees grossly offensive.

I thought it was stuff she was alleged to have said years ago. Why go round now? What evidence was provided to suggest it was her? Why is it suddenly really hurtful when no-one is looking at comments from years ago except the police and the complainant with too much time on their hands who needs to get a job?
Is it a fishing expedition to try and found out who did send those comments and when Caroline is cleared they will do a FOA to try and find who it was using the police to do the work for them?
It is hugely disproportionate. I am disgusted our laws allow this.
Lots of people dislike Toby Young but I hope the Free Speech association are on to this

A bloke with a well-documented history of targeting women as a vexatious complainer and litigant, no less. It should be, but sadly isn't, unsurprising that the law doesn't take a very dim view of those who misuse and exploit it for the very purpose it's supposedly designed to protect people from: to shut down discussion, curtail freedom of speech and expression, and actively to harangue dissenters from a specific ideology. It's also unsurprising that those targeted are most frequently women, as he appears to like making examples of the more vocal ones to intimidate the rest into submission.

I also would very much like to know why the police are so invested in upholding this age-old misogyny but willing to let the rape and death threats fly. The idea a PP mentioned - 'she's disagreed with a man so she's mad, lock her up!' chills my blood. That shit is straight out of Walpole and Radcliffe.

This Surrey police

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10857503/Coroner-slams-Surrey-Police-failing-protect-mother-four-murdered-estranged-husband.html

'grossly offensive message' - only if certain people find it grossly offensive, though, eh? Rape and death threats to women are fine.

Grossly offensive. What does that even mean.

That is bollocks. No mention that they sprung into action on the say so of some bloke, with no evidence and went mob-handed to force themselves into a woman's home.

Arseholes.

What sort of "grossly offensive message" warrants this heavy-footed police intervention?

What is supposed to have been said?

When I look at some of the (quite frankly) VILE, abusive and personally threatening comments made by TRAs online and yet there never seems to be any action taken to stop it, I can't think of anything more horrible than the stuff they churn out (often accompanied by obscene/pornographic images).

Statement from the police:

www.surrey.police.uk/news/surrey/news/2022/10/statement-following-allegations-of-malicious-communications-and-harassment/

17:57 04/10/2022

On Monday, 3 October officers attended an address in the Guildford area as part of an investigation into allegations of malicious communications (sending of indecent, grossly offensive messages, threats, or information) and harassment.

A 48-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of both offences.

A number of electronic devices were seized as potential evidence from this address under section 19 of PACE. Where an offence is alleged to have been committed on an electronic device, for example, it may hold a key piece of evidence and may routinely be seized during an investigation.

The woman was taken to Guildford Police Station where she was interviewed. She has now been released under investigation and inquiries remain ongoing.

Temporary Detective Chief Inspector David Bentley said: “There is significant commentary on social media around the perceived circumstances behind this investigation. We do not have the freedom of detailing every stage of our inquiries or the specifics of an allegation on social media as it is critical we do not pre-empt or prejudice any future proceedings at any stage.

"When we receive an allegation of a crime, in this instance one where a grossly offensive message is said to have been communicated, it is our job to assess it alongside any available evidence to identify if an offence has been committed. If it has, we gather further evidence and carry out an investigation to prove or disprove the allegation. That is exactly the process that is being followed in this case.

“The investigation into these allegations is very much ongoing and the relevant inquiries are being carried out. We have a duty to protect the integrity of an investigation, so we will not be providing a running commentary on this case.”

Police have made a statement:

twitter.com/SurreyPolice/status/1577346293457993736?s=20&t=Gck5x40VohAtkDyAhaDK1w

yup this.

I fully agree with this ^

The threshold for harm to self is pretty high for sectioning - you can absolutely cut or burn yourself a bit with no issue (as confirmed to me by both police and SS). IME, if the injury doesn't medically require a&e, institutions are unfussed.

Not sure on this. When I was sectioned it was after being arrested for breach of peace. They were taking me to the station and I started banging my head on the car. Not even that hard and certainly not causing me any harm. They said if I did it one more time, I'd get sectioned, and I did.

Gah -- so many typos! Apologies, I have a slightly cracked screen!

Even though I think that Caroline is anti-feminist, and I certaintly disagree with many of her beliefs, she is still a person who should not have had this happen to her. I am sorry for her and her children. I do so wish she wasn't campaigning to take away other women's rights because, as you can see, other women like us will support her in the face of injustice, no matter what.

We can support women against unlawful and unethical treatment without agreeing with their views, even while actively disagreeing. She has a right to these beliefs even if we may feel they don't align with women's rights in some areas.

She is entitled to not be harassed just as we are, even though plenty of people disagree with gender critical views, or even feminism in general. We can't just stand up for the women who say things we like.

And threatening to section someone who is feeling suicidal? When MN alone is full of really ill people who cannot get MH support.

The police do have to ask you if you are having suicidal thoughts before they release you. You are technically already under their duty if care at this point. As someone who has been sectioned before, you cannot say you feel like harming yourself and then get upset that they might section you for it, that's what they have to do. This officer clearly thought Caroline didn't really mean what she was saying, hence giving her time to rethink those words and only say then if she really meant it. Of course if she is a danger to herself, she would have to be sectioned in that situation.

I don’t fully understand what was said or the reason for the arrest. However it’s kind of scary that freedom of speech is no longer protected.

Like I don’t agree with Caroline’s opinions, but I still think she should have that right to have different opinions. As long as she’s not being abusive or harassing an individual, and I can’t see anything to say she was.

I don’t really understand why this should be a police matter, must have been very frightening for her and her family. I actually feel quite sorry for Caroline and her family to have been through this horrible experience 💐

@SnapeAlways

Just been reading Caroline’s thread after seeing James Dreyfus’ retweet of it. I am so angry this is still happening. The police don’t turn up to burglaries because they’re just so busy but are happy to harass women if they think they’re guilty of wrongthink. Utterly appalling. The way they treated her and her family! Just horrific.

Funny how threads about women like Carolyn / KJK always attract a bedraggle of new posters with an axe to grind, flailing around frantically trying to derail the thread.
Advanced search is of course your friend - as is recognising posting styles or repeated attempted limp gotchas.

These police officers are a disgrace to their uniforms. Best wishes to Caroline and am ready to contribute to any crowdfunders if necessary.

Snape 💐💐

Derailing threads is against Talk guidelines, btw.
If you want to talk about theology and homosexuality, start a thread in the relevant section.

As well you all know, even though you pretend otherwise, this thread is about a specific incident of police treatment.

I've been thinking of you all day, Carolyn. I may not agree with you on some points, but I certainly agree that you should not have to have been dealt with like this.
It may be that out of this business, not necessarily via you, we may end up with one of those legal cases like Penn and Meade in London, or Wesley at Rolvenden which establish the way justice is performed, and makes its way into the law books, on the true side of history.

@SnapeAlways - I'm so sorry you were put through this ordeal. The person subjecting you to this is just vile.

recently found myself sticking up for Toby Young,

Thoughts and prayers 🙏