Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

It's very tempting...

The Streisand Effect strikes again.

Right. That's it. I was going to go and read some lovely, lovely Marple, but I'm going to have to go and read Kiwi Farms instead just to see what all the ruddy fuss is about

I'm going to bed

Left vicar tutu person...you are awesome. Sincerely, it takes a very brave person to admit that they may ..just, may have just missing something

@ScaryFaces 😂😂 Thank you for bringing some light relief to such a serious thread. Haven't had a belly laugh like that in months...Wikipedia... 😂 😂Bless you

for anyone who doesn't know "swatting" is where someone makes a fraudulent call to the police claiming there's an active shooter at an address they've doxxed in the hopes the police will overreact and shoot someone).

so what complainant x has just done to Caroline, only thankfully our police don’t routinely have guns?

although we do have some armed units, as the owner of this very site will attest:

The owner of KiwiFarms is pretty nice about Justine and Caroline by the way, so the likelihood of Caroline and Justine’s police harassment originating from Kiwi Farms is very small. It must originate from somewhere, any suggestions?

KF is just a gossip site with more or less free speech rules (nothing criminal, obvs,, because that’s not covered by free speech. That includes swatting/using the police to harass others)

In vino veritas

You don’t need to apologise.

He really was generous.

Left a good tip

Not RTFT but has anyone discussed the implication's of the ruling by ECHR in Pal v UK?

This covers the arrest itself. The arrest of a journalist on a charge of harassing another journalist had been undertaken without any assessment of the criteria relevant to the balancing of the arrested journalist''s right to freedom of expression against another journalists right to respect for his private life.

Pal was awarded damages for the arrest.

Apologies...i may have had a drink

Bar tender may have been slightly over generous with the alcohol

I find this scary, but like many women it is not going to stop me speaking out. I am upset for Caroline and I'm upset for all of us trying to speak truth and reality. We are women, we grow, we learn. Im looking forward to the web chat about our rights when the police turn up, thank you Arabella for organising. Also because I don't like being told what to I might pop over to the fruit place to see what all the fuss is about.

Proof or it didn't fucking happen

It's my favourite part of the day...not gonna lie but it pretty much happens
Daily

Yup, you certainly need to take a good look at how reliable the sources being cited are and whether they actually support the claim that they are being used for. But usually a reasonable starting place for gathering information provided that you keep your eyes open and appreciate the limitations; which pretty much goes for any source whether online or not.

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Yeah, fair point... This probably wasn't the best thread to finally pipe up my mistrust of Farrow. I'm massively concerned about police overreach and our loss of basic civil liberties - it's horrific the women (& men) who have been been targeted by the police for wrong think. But anything Caroline comes out with, I can't help thinking 'ok, but what really happened?'

According to Caroline's tweets, Bernard herself was the subject of one of the screenshots which came to the attention of the police (presumably reported by the complainant) who thought it was Caroline's, knowing Bernard for years here I expect the screenshotted comment took no prisoners and was pithy and funny, but I can't imagine it was anything particularly remarkable or heinous. Especially as Bernard is well aware of the MN talk guidelines which have been in place since 2018 and we all must dance around. That worries me.

@stillvicarinatutu when I looked, a few hours ago, the was something on Glinner's substack about this, including some info. we can't post on here.

AIUI

Posts on KiwiFarms and MN, purported to be made by Caroline, were showed to her, these were posts about the complainant. There is no evidence AFAIK that these posts were by her (she has posted on KF but under her own name) and she has evidence that she was playing the organ in church when some (one?) of the posts was made.

AFAIK there is no suggestion of any direct communication between her and the complainant

Sorry to say I don't buy the Saint Farrow stuff; I can't put my finger on why precisely, but she makes me deeply uncomfortable and I don't trust her. Whilst I'm not doubting she has suffered some harassment, unfortunately I cannot shake the feeling that there is something else going on with her.

But, DahliaBlooming Caroline can be completely untruthful, and make you deeply uncomfortable..... and it is still wrong that the police take her into custody on the basis of a complaint about hurty feelings.
That is the point.

This is a freedom of speech issue, and it is very very deeply concerning that Surrey Police have allowed themselves to be used in this way.

It wedges open the door for all sorts of other abuses of power.

Funny isn’t it?

Almost like there’s things on there that some people don’t want to be seen.

@deepwatersolo No I don't think people are supporting Caroline because she's an 'asset'; I think it's because people believe what she says. And I just wanted to record that some of us, no doubt a small minority, don't believe she is always completely truthful and so are uncomfortable with her being held up as an important campaigner and perpetual victim.

Obviously you can‘t cite Wikipedia, as it is not an original source, nor a peer reviewed review. In science, depending on the subject, it can sometimes give you an overview, but you still have to go into the original literature cited and take it from there.
Regarding stuff that relates to politics in the broadest sense, including media and public figures, I wouldn’t trust it one bit. There are true editing-battles over who controls the narrative. Worthless.

Personally I think Farrow works directly against many of the tenets of feminism I hold most dear. Doesn't stop me thinking she's been treated appallingly here and that she has the right to her views without being criminalised for wrong think.

+1,000