Carolyn Farrow taken to police station

I'm stil confused about what should have happened, legally (for if / when it happens to me!)

At ewe saying it was legal for them to force their way in and was legal for them to seize devices but you should wait for a court order or warrant before handing over the passwords?

If I thought she deserved this treatment, I'd have no qualms about just saying that. I'm sorry for derailing the thread yesterday.

I'm sorry this is my last derail.

@stillvicarinatutu I opened an AIBU thread to gauge other women's opinions over whether they would have waved the officers in the car down, early days but interestingly the majority voted that no they wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. I wonder if they are paranoid coz the police in their approximate vicinity make them feel a bit funny too

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4648472-if-you-felt-intimidated-by-a-police-vehicle-patrol-would-you-wave-them-down?reply=120506253

So it's OK for her to be arrested for posting something totally unrelated to her opinions about gay people on Twitter? Better watch out @XSnoe - the Thought POlice are notorious for turning on their own.

Name change.

For the last time - no. I do not believe that, hence why I've never said it.

The intention was never "she's homophobic therefore deserves it". I'm sure plenty of people would say I'm "transphobic", that doesn't mean I deserve to be treated as Caroline has. I'm certainly not "The Thought Police" considering I've been banned from Twitter for stating simple things about sex/gender. I'm certainly lucky to have not had the experience Caroline and others have had... Yet.

If there is any whiff of 'it's OK to do it to this person, they're fair game', that person gets a target painted on them

Yes @BernardBlacksWineIcelolly it's all a bit "Do it to Julia" for some people around here, isn't it?

I hope you're recovered from being transplanted into someone else's body without your knowledge.

It's not as simple as "Oh I just don't want gay people to marry" she's be quite happy if gay people just didn't exist at all.

So it's OK for her to be arrested for posting something totally unrelated to her opinions about gay people on Twitter? Better watch out @XSnoe - the Thought POlice are notorious for turning on their own.

In the background of the doctored image there seems to be a tw in a bobble hat, I think a pp mentioned an individual who dresses like that.

The last sentence of the DM article! Has a complain also been made to the Parish about the Councillor? I didn't see anything else about that in the piece.

If anything can be 'hate speech' because a vexatious litigant decides it's hate speech

There's only one special group that gets this protection.

AND dislike the fact that MN is on the warpath for a privileged woman without single other comment about wrongful arrest & power-abusing harassment frequently happening to less well-off women

And it's possible to be REALLY pissed-off with your Whataboutery @KettrickenSmiled

Yes, we all know that working-class and BAME women are unequally held and abused by the police & other security bodies. It's been discussed here for years. But maybe you're a very new poster to FWR?

It was women (and I expect MN women among them!) who started the organisation "Keep Prisons Single Sex" and it's feminists such as Prof. Jo Phoenix who research & advocate on behalf of women inmates.

But THIS thread is about the abuse of police power and the harassment of a couple of Males' Rights Activists in the case of Ms Caroline Farrow,

Start another thread about the more general excessive punishment of women by the law enforcement bodies in this country. You'll get a LOT of support here on MN. But don't berate us for being mostly concerned with the specific & particular events of Ms Farrow's "arrest" on Monday night.

And numerous other people, too. At the very least this should raise questions about people who use the law to relentlessly harangue, socially ostracize and professionally ruin anyone who dares make a public statement they don't happen to like. There are a couple who spring to mind, but the TRA who's harassing Yalland, Caroline and others is notorious - yet still being taken seriously by police.

If anything can be 'hate speech' because a vexatious litigant decides it's hate speech, and has the means and wherewithall to pursue it through the legal system, then it's not only people with conservative Catholic views who have a massive fucking problem. It's every single one of us. Unless you fancy winning a victory over yourself, and loving Big Brother.

Man alive

Mr Willgoss, a parish councillor for Surrey Heath who also works in garden maintenance, said the officers told him he may have committed a public order offence and should attend an interview to explain his actions. He said he was told if he did not attend he may be arrested over the image.

what was the image? A picture of 2 trans rights activists holding signs that had previously said ‘trans rights are human rights’ but had been photoshopped to say ‘terfs were right all along’ and ‘trans rights are very, very boring’

some people will always make vexatious complaints. Humans are complicated and weird

getting caught up in that shows shit judgement on the part of Surrey Police and a distinct lack of understanding of what’s important to the public. The police do after all police by public consent.

I actually think you might be on the wind up.

I think so, too.

@stillvicarinatutu - your arguments upthread that Hat should feel pleased to see officers on night patrol in her area as they performed their pointless and threatening drive by are nonsense.

why would any woman feel reassured to attract scrutiny from the police in a dark alley? After the murder of SE, strip searching teenagers, the rank misogyny and racism amongst their ranks which has been well publicised?

why would be public be reassured when just this week the police have been berated for their woeful failure to attend burglaries reported?

You cannot expect the public, and women in particular, to trust the police at all given their behaviour over the past 12 months.

Meanwhile, someone on Twitter seems to have woken up with a champagne hangover and is most aggrieved.

Thank you@picklemewalnuts
and@Justasmallgless I appreciate you understanding that I am not saying police = bad, patrolling should be done away with in case an unstable woman sees a car going by at a distance lol. I'm actually very much police = good, but we need to have that whole without fear or favour thing.

I hadn't even considered emailing them, I don't even remember exactly when it happened except it was some months ago now, would it matter?

I would have felt more reassured if they'd have stopped and said something. Tbh the weird intimidating feeling just made me a bit cross and uncomfortable but I could only manage the famous MN hard stare. I don't think I'd be comfortable waving down the policemen that were making me feel uncomfortable these days really, seems like iffy advice along the lines of what the Met released as advice for women to stay safe.

I'm not the only one who's faith in the police has plummeted recently and the awful thing is there's good reason for the lack of faith it seems.

Vicar I wish I could subtly point you in a direction and I wracked my brains as to how but given how litigatious (sp?!) certain TRAs are I genuinely don't feel able to.

If you Google past issues with people trying to sue mumsnet (which made the news) you'll see why I am cautious.

I've not had time to follow the thread properly over night

Hat, I too am a serving police officer of a similar age and I can totally understand why you would feel like this.
I'm actually angry on your behalf.

I imagine they have potentially thought "best not stop this lone woman walking her dog as she might be worried by that" rather than " we will provide some reassurance to Thai lone woman walking her dog"

We are doing listening circles in our force about experiences of women inside the force and that's still bad enough. Unfortunately we have a huge number of under 30 new recruits due to the cuts and then recruitment so most of those patrolling have under 3-5 years service.

I am really sorry you had this experience and would urge you to email in.
It's not a complaint, it's explaining how it makes us as women feel vulnerable

So infuriated by the CF case I can't post anything

Were they wearing a bobble hat?

Is this the person I’m thinking of? Glasses? Our for lunch (not a euphemism - they posted a tweet in a restaurant this week)?

I'm stunned.
I live in Birmingham. My neighbour was burgled. Three men were in her house, and she called the police to say they were downstairs, while she and hee baby were upstairs.
The police did not have enough resource to send anybody out.

This person is known (so I believe) so how on all that is holy are they allowed to do a Yaniv here? When will they be addressed?