Spiked on Eddie Izzard

And at this point any transwoman who wants to claim they're "nothing like that" should be seeing what is happening with horror, and ceasing from making any further claim on female facilities, even if they have in the past.

If they don't do so, they are now complicit. Maybe they might not have realised the harm they were causing in the past, but they no longer have an excuse.

Women are politely asking them to leave, and they have to respect that. If they don't, they very much are "like that".

Worriedaboutethics · Today 09:32
@Necessary the issue is what you type or quote is as bigoted as men who think women don’t deserve women only places. That’s a shame .

there are clearly men who pretend to be trans to get off on something and there are clearly trans people who are nothing like that at all.

BUT Necessary wasn’t referring to individuals, but to the ideology, as she makes clear. It’s the ideology which dictates a takeover of women’s spaces rather than campaigning for men’s spaces to be safe for transwomen, or for third spaces as Bernard says

there are clearly men who pretend to be trans to get off on something and there are clearly trans people who are nothing like that at all.

Yes, and that quote wasn't inferring anything about "to get off" (although the rest of the article did). It was directly addressing anyone, including your "nothing like that".

Why do their "therapeutic needs" outweigh everyone else's?

The reason those who might "get off" can enter is because they're piggy-backing on some leeway initially given to your favoured trans's "therapeutic needs".

So there's an initial direct violation by your "nothing like that"'s, which for a while was tolerable, but now the consequences of that violation have got way out of hand, with loads of "definitely like that"s taking advantage too, on top of an increased sense of entitlement from everyone involved, and we can see why it was a mistake to let that initial violation slide.

Oof. Brutal. But glorious. Thanks Wanda.

Great article. I hope it is widely read.

What does this even mean?

all ‘transwomen’ are men, full stop, the end

when they use the loo they should use the gents or campaign for a third space

@NecessaryScene

the issue is what you type or quote is as bigoted as men who think women don’t deserve women only places. That’s a shame .

there are clearly men who pretend to be trans to get off on something and there are clearly trans people who are nothing like that at all.

Brendan O'Neill is well and truly cancelled since forever.

Great article. He's great on all this stuff - mainly thanks to the efforts of Kellie-Jay Keen (she's been on his podcast quite a few times).

This is such a good point

the oft trotted out reason for men intimidating women and exposing themselves to women by using the women’s toilets is that they wouldn’t be safe in the gents

what was Eddie’s reason here?

We all know that men who fantasise that they are women go into women’s bathrooms and changing rooms, pissing on the seat, freaking out young girls, and in some cases exposing their tumescent penises to unwitting women. What we used to call ‘indecent exposure’ but we now call ‘trans rights’. (My emphasis)

It made me wonder what was going on in Izzard’s brain as he took a leak or applied more blusher or whatever he was doing in that women-only space.
Come come Mr O'Neill, why so coy? We all know men are getting a sexual thrill from being in the ladies loo and breaking boundaries.

The thing that has struck me about this whole episode is that Eddie would have been safe using the correct facilities for his sex at this event, which is what makes the territroy marking / dominance asserting aspect of this so very clear to observers.

Very brave.
Is Brendan O'neil going to get cancelled now?

Fantastic stuff.

This is the trans ideology summed up – everything, the entire physical, social and scientific world, must be sacrificed to the therapeutic needs of men who think they’re women. Sure, drunk blokes of old knew a woman’s bathroom was a no-go zone – but today’s blokes drunk on their own narcissistic and lunatic vision of themselves as ‘women’ recognise no such physical boundaries. How dare a social norm interfere with my gender expression?

He makes a good point about social norms and how Eddie has basically been transgressing them since his early 20s. In a 'I remember exactly where I was when X happened', I vividly remember hearing Izzard reading his autobiography on radio 4's Book of the Week and stopping in my tracks as he recounted being confronted by those young girls in Highbury Fields women's toilets. The way he positioned himself as the victim in that story shocked me then and it shocks me now.

Izzard does not seem to believe women should have boundaries.