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Students call for professor at University of Southern Maine to be replaced after teaching that there are only two sexes

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TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 18:19

According to the Bangor Daily News, a newspaper in Maine, USA:

Nearly two dozen graduate students at the University of Southern Maine are demanding their education professor be replaced after the professor allegedly said only two biological sexes exist.

The students said professor Christy Hammer’s remarks were inaccurate and transphobic.

After all but one student walked out of Hammer’s class on Sept. 14 in protest, they demanded a facilitated restorative justice meeting between the 22 students and their professor.

They got it, but, according to students, Hammer maintained her position saying non-binary biological sex designations are merely variations on male and female. Now they want Hammer gone.

www.bangordailynews.com/2022/09/29/news/portland/usm-professor-two-sexes/

Professor Kathleen Stock has tweeted about this ridiculous situation:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1576060008533757952

Jerry Coyne, an emeritus professor of Evolutionary Biology at the University of Chicago, has also just written about it: whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/10/01/professor-in-maine-demonized-for-teaching-that-humans-have-two-sexes-students-walk-out-and-demand-her-suspension/

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nepeta · 01/10/2022 21:12

Claire Ainsworth who wrote that Scientific American opinion piece on sex has later clarified that she didn't mean to imply that biological sex is not binary, but that anatomy and physical appearance of individuals of either sex show variation.
twitter.com/colwight/status/1576085493682302976?s=20&t=_S3m6uhEqeMppybTNumPWA

Johnnysgirl · 01/10/2022 21:04

IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 19:00

Link to BDN twitter on the article

twitter.com/bangordailynews/status/1575615430085193728?s=20&t=sGr8LzlaCA6Gy2NAaId42Q

What should happen, the university backs its teacher, the students flunk her class and fail to qualify as teachers. Multiple bullets dodged.

What shouldn't happen, the university caves into the little bigots, they go on to spread their poison.

Doesn't Stephen King live in Maine?

Doesn't Stephen King live in Maine?
He does, but he'd be right behind the little imbeciles.

FemaleAndLearning · 01/10/2022 21:03

I suppose it doesn't help in America that they use gender to mean sex and gender to mean gender identity.

picklemewalnuts · 01/10/2022 21:00

It feels like such a decadent concept. I mean, how excessively affluent do you need to be to lose sight of reality like that? And in a time when we are really struggling. Perhaps it's escapism?

StrangeLookingParasite · 01/10/2022 20:32

Biologists believe there is a larger spectrum to sex than just the male-female binary.

No they fucking don't.

FemaleAndLearning · 01/10/2022 20:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2022 18:55

‘I felt under personal attack’?

By who? Charles Darwin?

Grin

Is the student saying that being non binary is a third sex?

FemaleAndLearning · 01/10/2022 20:28

The link to the Scientific America article from 2018 was discussed on here a few weeks ago I believe (a single case of 46XY daughter who had an XY child or something?). Can anyone remember the name of the thread?
www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/#

IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 20:15

Iirc, I think Genesis (not the band) might also be gunning for they/them.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 20:04

picklemewalnuts · 01/10/2022 19:44

Could it be extreme Darwinism?
Will they die out from daft ness, leaving a stronger more robust set of folk?

Yes, we should check the rules for Darwin Awards to see if groups can be nominated.

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Duckskitbank · 01/10/2022 19:54

Ffs.
I might as well blow my children’s university fund.

Blister · 01/10/2022 19:47

Well sounds like someone isn't ready to learn because they know it all already...

picklemewalnuts · 01/10/2022 19:44

Could it be extreme Darwinism?
Will they die out from daft ness, leaving a stronger more robust set of folk?

ThereIbledit · 01/10/2022 19:38

@RoyalCorgi
These students are morons. They don't deserve to be in university. They should be sent back to primary school.

I genuinely think they've been groomed as kids and teenagers to be fragile. It's fucking devastating for the future of us all to be honest. How does society function when the next generation of carers/teachers/nurses/paramedics/police/prison officers etc are so emotionally fragile that they feel that words are "literal violence"? Does everybody just walk out of their job if somebody says something that upsets them? There's no shortage of people who say mean things, let alone those who will speak truthful facts. Society would grind to a halt.

JanieAllen · 01/10/2022 19:33

oh non binary student !! wait until you are in your 50's are pushing out clots the size of aliens being told you need blood transfusions... do you think YOU CAN IDENTIFY OUT OF YOUR SEX? In my world if I ran a 'college' anyone coming out with something as stupid as that would be failed in the first week.

ThereIbledit · 01/10/2022 19:32

“I asked [Hammer] how many sexes there were,” Leibiger said. “She said, ‘Two.’ I felt under personal attack.”
Leibiger then gathered their things and walked out of class because they no longer felt respected.

A metaphor for this is to ask somebody to hold out a knife and to hold it still, blade first, walk yourself right into the blade and then blame them for stabbing you.

I think one of the big and wildly underestimated by most problems is that there is a certain group of young people who have all been taught to weep and wail and thrash about and claim that people are being literally violent towards them with words, and genocidal if anybody says anything that isn't 100% affirming of something which is, in the kindest way possible, not objective fact.

I have to wonder if 6th forms or universities teach debating skills any more. "When I was young" we were taught how to gather evidence, how to have a formal debate and we had to practice it. It equipped us for day to day disagreements and debate conversations, as well as the formal type. These young adults seem to have such fragility that they absolutely lose their shit rather than have a calm and reasoned discussion. I know we are in the Trump/Boris Johnson/Far right clown school era - perhaps that's part of it - but at best these young people have not been taught essential life skills. At worst they have been taught to be so emotionally fragile that the feel physically unsafe when others state facts. That's really fucking worrying for their mental health, both short and long term.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 19:28

RoyalCorgi · 01/10/2022 19:21

These students are morons. They don't deserve to be in university. They should be sent back to primary school.

Provided they have the mental capacity. Not sure how well they would score on "attitude to learning".

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RoyalCorgi · 01/10/2022 19:21

These students are morons. They don't deserve to be in university. They should be sent back to primary school.

JellySaurus · 01/10/2022 19:14

Life of Brian was a commentary on mindless adherence to any ideology or faith position. They got it right.

ReeseWitherfork · 01/10/2022 19:13

LidlMiddleLover · 01/10/2022 18:57

There are only two sexes Biologically speaking There are clearly more gender identities of course.

Something that it seems the professor pointed out. Seriously worrying that these people are interchanging gender and sex. Especially the non-binary person who you’d think would be hot on the subject.

Igmum · 01/10/2022 19:01

What on earth was the university doing not pointing out basic biology? This cult threatens science, threatens medicine, threatens simple good sense.

And why am I not surprised that the grossly offended non-binary one was bunking off the session but turned up to start a fight the week after?

IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 19:00

Link to BDN twitter on the article

twitter.com/bangordailynews/status/1575615430085193728?s=20&t=sGr8LzlaCA6Gy2NAaId42Q

What should happen, the university backs its teacher, the students flunk her class and fail to qualify as teachers. Multiple bullets dodged.

What shouldn't happen, the university caves into the little bigots, they go on to spread their poison.

Doesn't Stephen King live in Maine?

TheClogLady · 01/10/2022 18:59

LidlMiddleLover · 01/10/2022 18:57

There are only two sexes Biologically speaking There are clearly more gender identities of course.

There are infinite gender identities!

As many as there are personalities!

LidlMiddleLover · 01/10/2022 18:57

There are only two sexes Biologically speaking There are clearly more gender identities of course.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2022 18:56

They've already gone down the pandering "restorative justice meeting" route so there's not really any way back for the university.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/10/2022 18:55

‘I felt under personal attack’?

By who? Charles Darwin?

Grin