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Students call for professor at University of Southern Maine to be replaced after teaching that there are only two sexes

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TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 18:19

According to the Bangor Daily News, a newspaper in Maine, USA:

Nearly two dozen graduate students at the University of Southern Maine are demanding their education professor be replaced after the professor allegedly said only two biological sexes exist.

The students said professor Christy Hammer’s remarks were inaccurate and transphobic.

After all but one student walked out of Hammer’s class on Sept. 14 in protest, they demanded a facilitated restorative justice meeting between the 22 students and their professor.

They got it, but, according to students, Hammer maintained her position saying non-binary biological sex designations are merely variations on male and female. Now they want Hammer gone.

www.bangordailynews.com/2022/09/29/news/portland/usm-professor-two-sexes/

Professor Kathleen Stock has tweeted about this ridiculous situation:
twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1576060008533757952

Jerry Coyne, an emeritus professor of Evolutionary Biology at the University of Chicago, has also just written about it: whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/10/01/professor-in-maine-demonized-for-teaching-that-humans-have-two-sexes-students-walk-out-and-demand-her-suspension/

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TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2022 03:13

virginiasroom.co.uk/2022/01/sex-denialism-collective-insanity-or-religion/

This is the best commentary on all of this madness that I've read so far.

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 02:19

Quite a lot of mothers are here on Mumsnet!

We have quite a lot of experience that sex, as in sexed bodies, is real!
Otherwise, many of us would happily opt for our men doing our pregnancy, childbirth including caesareans and episiotomies, and all resulting shit, for us!

Gender - well, what is your star sign7

NZdad · 02/10/2022 01:50

Even the author of the Nature article the news article cites accepts that there are 2 sexes: mobile.twitter.com/tenin0/status/1576012336883593217

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 01:38

What? The aggressive male in the video? Not a "her" in a million years! That's a man, We can tell. It's quite easy to tell that he's a bloke, despite his show of male aggression and confrontation!

There are two sexes: female, male.

Gender? Seven billion genders!

One sex cannot turn into the other sex. Not possible in mammalian biology.

What the hell are they teaching graduates these days, it sounds worrying if they are being lied to on very basic matters of sex and being human.

caringcarer · 02/10/2022 01:29

She speaks the truth. Well done to her.

LunaLights · 02/10/2022 01:22

The fucking problem with “not saying it” is that there is a growing percentage of the population that actually believes this ideological bullshit - because no one is permitted to tell the truth!

TheBiologyStupid · 02/10/2022 01:20

TheClogLady · 02/10/2022 00:53

One of the students who objected is studying to become a high school science teacher.

Of course nonsensical ideas about how procreation works need to be challenged, this person wants to teach this bullshit in schools!

Absolutely!

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BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 01:16

It is bloody weird that it always needs to be said, at the moment, that women are women and men can never be women.

Two sexes. That's all.

Women are women, and men are men. And men can never be women.

Men need to sort out their own shit, not expect women to move over and pander to them and go "Yes, Sir; ooops, sorry, Ma'am".

Here is a well-documented example of a "new woman" - !

BrrrGettingColder · 02/10/2022 00:55

These are university students who get upset when a lecturer tells them that there are just two sexes?

Deargoddesses, wot next!

TheClogLady · 02/10/2022 00:53

fUNNYfACE36 · 02/10/2022 00:42

I don't think the fact that there indeed are only 2 biological sexes is the issue here, it is whether it needed to be said in the circumstances .
.It us like saying that overall black people score lower than white and Asian people on intelligence tests.You just don't end to bring it up

One of the students who objected is studying to become a high school science teacher.

Of course nonsensical ideas about how procreation works need to be challenged, this person wants to teach this bullshit in schools!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2022 00:48

Of course it needs to be said. A lot more, in fact.

fUNNYfACE36 · 02/10/2022 00:42

I don't think the fact that there indeed are only 2 biological sexes is the issue here, it is whether it needed to be said in the circumstances .
.It us like saying that overall black people score lower than white and Asian people on intelligence tests.You just don't end to bring it up

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 02/10/2022 00:18

Those students just seem really dense. They have confused the concept 'identity' with 'sex' and then had a big tantrum when people have not gone along with their confusion.

Johnnysgirl · 01/10/2022 23:07

Blister · 01/10/2022 22:31

To be fair if you are frightened of someone because their belief is not based in material biology, then there are 2 dysfunctional people at your workplace...

And yeah neither of you is going to last long with that type of mental stamina...

Harsh.

Blister · 01/10/2022 22:31

JacquelinePot · 01/10/2022 21:49

I'm really quite frightened at the prospect of coming across people like this at work. Most people I work with (large corporate) are 30+ but it's only a matter of time, isn't it? How do they function in the real world and how do sensible people around them manage?

To be fair if you are frightened of someone because their belief is not based in material biology, then there are 2 dysfunctional people at your workplace...

And yeah neither of you is going to last long with that type of mental stamina...

Delphinium20 · 01/10/2022 22:19

JacquelinePot · 01/10/2022 21:49

I'm really quite frightened at the prospect of coming across people like this at work. Most people I work with (large corporate) are 30+ but it's only a matter of time, isn't it? How do they function in the real world and how do sensible people around them manage?

In my observations, they don't function well and end up in poor situations living off family or social services.

Delphinium20 · 01/10/2022 22:16

There's so many things wrong with this, including pandering to have a restorative justice session with the entitled students. Why bother going to college when you know more than the professors? Isn't that a massive waste of money (I'm going on a limb here to assume the non-binary complainer has an excess of parental financial assistance). Parents of young children, beware who is graduating with recent teacher training. Try to opt for the older teachers, especially those teaching biology and grammar lessons.

Sadly, this behavior reminds me of a young non-binary adult I know, who recently shouted at an 11yr old boy with autism for making 'uneducated judgements on people'. You can't make this up. I had to apologize to the young boy's mother for being subjected to this adult in my home. The non-binary adult thought shouty education was social justice work, and still doesn't understand what is wrong with yelling at children. In my experience, non-binary is anti-social behavior.

faffadoodledo · 01/10/2022 21:56

They're graduate students too.
Good grief

picklemewalnuts · 01/10/2022 21:54

JacquelinePot · 01/10/2022 21:49

I'm really quite frightened at the prospect of coming across people like this at work. Most people I work with (large corporate) are 30+ but it's only a matter of time, isn't it? How do they function in the real world and how do sensible people around them manage?

"That's nice dear. Now getting back to the figures..."

JacquelinePot · 01/10/2022 21:49

I'm really quite frightened at the prospect of coming across people like this at work. Most people I work with (large corporate) are 30+ but it's only a matter of time, isn't it? How do they function in the real world and how do sensible people around them manage?

catandcoffee · 01/10/2022 21:32

How are they going to actually cope in the real working world.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 21:26

Johnnysgirl · 01/10/2022 21:04

Doesn't Stephen King live in Maine?
He does, but he'd be right behind the little imbeciles.

I keep hoping something will p...fuck...take him to the* *top of a mountain. This is in his backyard and pretty indefensible.

KittenKong · 01/10/2022 21:24

I believe it does

WandaWomblesaurus · 01/10/2022 21:18

Does "Whiny pathetic narcissist student" class as a gender identity?

KittenKong · 01/10/2022 21:14

The students should be kicked out. How the hell they ever got into uni is a mystery. Unless, of course, the can produce the additional sexes.