To ask DC’s school about gender identity

Girls' schools need to be girls' schools. For girls. I applaud OP for seeking to protect her daughter.

@ Eellet:
Then let trans identifiying men leave women well alone, by your own standards.
Quote, adapted:

"You know what most trans people women want? The same as everyone else. To be able to live their bloody lives. The hysteria people like you present is no different at all to the way people actually persecuted - women and girls.

I wouldn't.

I teach my kids whatever I see fit about this type of issue. I want the school to educate them academically.

@Lovelyricepudding i enjoy when people throw out something that other people have said, entirely uncritically, and attempt to pass it as their own.

No, transgender people are not trying to abolish homosexuality. Maybe one trans person said something stupid once, and it got latched onto as being the gospel of all trans people’s views, but I know not a single trans person who would ever thing anyone who isn’t attracted to someone must have sex with them. Pick a group of people and I’ll find someone who has said something equally stupid, and that equally doesn’t represent the views of everyone in their class or group.

You know what most trans people want? The same as everyone else. To be able to live their bloody lives. The hysteria people like you present is no different at all to the way people actually persecuted - and indeed still do persecute - gay people. I have heard the arguments amongst the ultra religious and ultra conservative; “the gays are brainwashing our children to become perverts and soon heterosexuality will be abolished!”

You are them, and they are you.

Glad you find it funny and completely irrelevant to allow males a free pass to female only spaces. After all, nothing untoward ever happens to girls and women around men does it? 🙄

OP of course YANBU. If you are opting for a single sex school then it matters it is single sex. It is not a small thing for your daughter to be gaslit that boys are really girls, to be told having boundaries is bigotted and she must undress in front of boys. To be taught psuedoscientific mumbo jumbo. And let's not forget that despite pp throwing out accusations of 'homophobia', that pride/rainbow flags now represent a hugely homophobic movement where homosexual women are accused of being sexual racists if they refuse to date men. If your daughter turns out to be a lesbian then gender ideology is the new section 28 that attempts to outlaw same sex attraction and replace it with gender attraction.

Sexual orientation and gender identity are entirely different.

Gender identity ideologues deliberately engaged in forced teaming with LGB organisations in an attempt to advance their agenda.

A person who is same sex attracted does not require the rest of society to change our language to accommodate that attraction.

People who are same sex attracted do not require medication or surgery.

We don’t put children into boxes of sexual orientation which put them on a pathway to lifelong medication, sterility and sexual dysfunction.

Gay men do not demand access to women’s toilets, changing rooms, prisons, refuges and hospital wards.

Same sex attraction cannot coexist with gender identity. Gender identity theory demands same gender attraction takes the place of same sex attraction, just as it demands gender identity takes precedence over sex everywhere else in society. Gender identity requires massive societal changes to replace sex with gender identity in every sphere.

I'm currently looking at private secondary schools for my DD. No GDST ones near me unfortunately. How should I phrase the question?

@DappledOliveGroves those sound like deeply unpleasant experiences, I’m sorry you had to go through them.

But I’ve had friends who have had the same from gay men, a lot, and I’m not starting the LBT Alliance now am I? And lest we forget the furore about allowing teaching about homosexuality or - god forbid, allowing gays in schools in case they ‘corrupt’ or try to sleep with people of the same sex. Thankfully we’ve moved on, except of course in many of those religious schools you seem to unironically prefer - honestly, I don’t know how any gay or bi person could even consider sending their kid to one.

You’re really no different. I hope you reflect on that, and that it makes you uncomfortable
enough to think a little deeper about your impact on other people.

Welcome to the Sex and Gender naughty step, OP!

In a girls’ school every subject is 100% a girls’ subject. Physics is a girls subject, Music is a girls subject, Maths is a girls subject, Art is a girls subject.

A girl is top of every class and wins at every sport.

it’s liberating and attitude forming.

Why wait til 11 to give our girls that experience?

It happens all the time. Not allowed to discuss anything related to this issue anywhere else on Mumsnet apparently.

and yes Gymrabbit I agree with you 100% indoctrination of everyone’s children, just like other safeguarding issues is everyone’s responsibility and concerns all of us.

Why has this been moved to the feminist board.
indoctrination of vulnerable children is everyone’s problem.

Did this thread start of in AIBU and get moved to the naughty step?

YANBU OP.

You are absolutely right that it is important to know what young impressionable children are being taught about their bodies and what is real. Equally if you want a single sex education and are willing to pay for it then you are well within your rights to ask if that is what you are actually going to get from any particular institution. You are doing your due diligence as a mother and choosing the educational establishment which you feel will best suit your daughter.

I guess it depends on how big it is.......

As an old GDST girl, I love this.

@Angelinflipflops the original pride flag was a source of pride. The new one is something I want nothing to do with. All I can say is thank god for LGB Alliance for representing people like me.

you would rather a religious school teach them such scientific principles as magic sky wizards, hell and creationism?

It's not like you would lump all religious schools together and brand them 'all the same' then...

In fact, an understanding of the main religions is on the National Curriculum. Not pushing fundamentalist beliefs. Many faith schools are actively inclusive of other beliefs.

@GlassDeli thank you

It was my participation in the LGBT scene that opened my eyes to transactivism and made me deeply uncomfortable with what was going on. Seeing a man, off his head on drugs and alcohol, in lipstick and a dress, demanding to be 'treated as a woman', at an LGBT family picnic that my then 13 year old daughter was attending with me, rang massive alarm bells. Getting groped by a trans-woman at another event, who seemed to think it was acceptable because 'she' considered that 'she' was female and thus could grab my ass with impunity was another eye-opener at a lesbian night. Attending an LGBT corporate function and seeing the clear outline of a guy's penis in a sheer skirt in the women's toilets and seeing how he got off on making women uncomfortable was another nail in the coffin.

I was deeply involved in the LGBT scene for a good four years before I met my now (male partner) and now, to all intents and purposes, live a heterosexual life. But I am bisexual, have many many gay friends and most of them feel varying levels of disquiet with the trans lobby.

Dappled, the pride flag remains a very positive symbol for lots of gay people

And of course bisexual women as Dappled says.

Pride seems to be all about the T these days, with less LGB. So it isn't 'homophobic' to reject it. In particular, lesbians have been undermined and patronised by trans activists.

Definitely ask. Go to Safer Schools Alliance or Sex Matters for tips and advice on phrasing if you need it.

@NicolaSixSix that's funny - who said I was straight?

For your information I'm bisexual, have been in long-term same sex relationships and was actually in the Stonewall careers guide back before Stonewall became a trans lobby organisation. I was the LGB diversity rep at my law firm and used to proudly march at Pride.

Now I avoid anything with the fucking Pride logo on it because it's meaningless commercial bullshit that's been hijacked by trans activists. But sure, my 'homophobia' speaks volumes 🙄