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Article about surrogacy in The Guardian

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IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 11:22

It's quite long and mostly skewed but there is some input from a woman against it.

The gay male couple got my back up, they seem to think the only problem with women being trafficked for sex is that the women don't get the money! I hope that was an editing cockup.

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AnnaMagnani · 01/10/2022 12:27

I liked the article as the woman presenting the case against surrogacy was awesome, and the two men unintentionally came across terribly.

SudocremOnEverything · 01/10/2022 12:23

And this:

“This isn’t an oversight, it’s discrimination, Briskin says. “The policy is the product of a time when there was a misconception, a stereotype, a prejudice against couples that were made up of two men – that they were not capable of raising children because there was no female figure in that relationship.”

Is a good illustration of why biology matters. These men not being able to afford to use a woman’s body and loads of medical technology to become parents is nothing to do with the idea that two men can’t raise children. But it is entirely the product of it being biologically impossible for two men to conceive a child and carry it to birth.

Telling you that you have to accept the fact you are both men is not homophobia. It’s just how it is.

Their sense of entitlement is astounding.

SudocremOnEverything · 01/10/2022 12:19

I’ve read as far as the byline, and all I can think is: but there is no right to parenthood. None at all.

It’s something that may or may not happen in your life - for all sorts of reasons. And even if it does, it’s not at all about rights. It’s entirely about responsibilities.

It strikes me that this languages of rights and entitlements is the problem. And without any sense that becoming a parent through anything other than the standard biological route is actually just piling more responsibilities into the process.

TheBiologyStupid · 01/10/2022 12:14

KatMcBundleFace · 01/10/2022 12:01

They come across as entitled pricks.

Literally!

The article presents both sides, but gives a disproportionate space to one of them.

KatMcBundleFace · 01/10/2022 12:01

They come across as entitled pricks.

IcakethereforeIam · 01/10/2022 11:22

Sorry, forgot link:

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/01/how-gay-parenthood-through-surrogacy-became-a-battleground

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