Men of the far right and the women's movement

If you really care about women's rights, then stop trying to divide and destroy the movement.

Excellent point.

And no, we’re not saying you can’t point out potential issues or problems. But remain factual and present well researched, concrete evidence.

Lies and slurs don’t help (talking generally here).

Now you’re just lying Sapphos.

Just like when she "interpreted" a video of Andy Ngo talking to Nigel Farage as "saying that black and brown people want to destroy the United States" when it said nothing of the sort.

So filming is forbidden at these events? Do women have to hand in their phones at the door?

If you have to resort to lies, don’t expect people to take you seriously!

To be fair, this is exactly the way these threads seem to go. Call for KJK to be denounced. When challenged, come up with irrational and illogical arguments for which neither reason or evidence can be supplied. Ignore all counter-evidence. Refuse to answer questions. Accuse interlocuters of fascism. Lie. Repeat.

Trouble is, the tactics are all so very familiar from years of dealing with TRAs. It's too easy now to see what you're doing. It's not going to work.

If you really care about women's rights, then stop trying to divide and destroy the movement.

"Mummy, do I have to go to the denouncing?"

"Yes, or I'll denounce you! Now go and get the Anti-Fascist Pig."

Snapshot of life in a Real Feminist household.

Now you’re just lying Sapphos.

KJK did not upload the video of the Brighton event onto a far right website.

If you have to resort to lies, don’t expect people to take you seriously!

I will approve your repentance if I deem your politics acceptable. Please submit voting records library borrowing history and a list of direct debits to the usual address. Thank you.

They forgot the footnote.

…We respect plurality of thought and belief*…

*unless it is anything related to the bad thoughts and believes gathered under THE LINK‘

I await an answer on this. Because it has also been noted before.

You would think though, since they have made this statement that they will have a clear process on how they can do this, while identifying just who is to be denounced and still denounce effectively enough to be acceptable anyone who is deemed denouncable.

This bit from the Brighton Real Feminist™ page is interesting:

Women of all backgrounds and walks of life are welcome to attend our events. We respect plurality of thought and belief, and ask that our legally-protected belief in the lifelong social impact of sex also be respected.

Is this true? Would KJK be welcome to attend? What about Sophie C or the HoO filming woman?

I wish you’d bring your pig to my door (super safe Labour seat so no one political has ever bothered to knock on)

I agree .

The purity spiral is a massive distraction and anyone who truly cares about single sex spaces and not transing kids would recognise that.

Does it help that I am knocking on doors today with my Fascist Hunter Pig to find Fascists to train said pig for events?

oops. I quoted you Arabella.

I now need to repent further and denounce myself.

or something.

But sincerest apologies. I will submit to re-education at your request.

This absolutely is is not:

No bullying, no smearing, no making left wing feminists look indistinguishable from TRAs

it’s the opposite.

We are in upside down world 🙃

And around we go.

The Questions that have not been answered yet by any person who are telling us that KJK is the wrong sort of person come up every few pages and not once across all these threads has any person answered.

Here’s one I prepared earlier.

What is the difference between a man and a woman who is live streaming from their phones and someone just ‘sharing’ the Standing For Women feed?

I would like an answer to this.

What is the difference?

I've repented and denounced but I want to stress nobody should quote me on this without my express approval.

she doesn't care about politics or if the far right are publicising SFW for their own agenda.

Presumably there's no issue with someone not caring about politics? So the problem is someone else publicising her? How on earth is she supposed to control another person's choice to film her?

And I recommend all readers of this thread to read this page that is also linked to the page Sappho has posted.

brightonsisters.wordpress.com/differences-of-opinion-between-bwlc-and-kellie-jay-keen/

I think regular readers across a wide range of feminist board topics will be able to make their own decisions as to the motivations of whoever created that page.

Well, SapphosRock, having read your link and the link in there that leads to Posie‘s or her guests’ positions, I can savely say: You are not in it to win it.

FFS don't go to her events then. You don't like her approach, I think you should act in accordance with your conscience. The "bad feminists" aren't going to round the real feminists™ up and force them to attend at gun point. Attendance is voluntary, you are not a victim.

You are the one trying to force other people to agree. The demands for KJK to "denounce' HoO are ridiculous. Are you planning to burn us if we don't recant?

You do you and leave others to do them.

I think it's understandable for feminists to disagree with this as a tactic.

sure. I don’t think any of us have said that you can’t disagree on any of it.

What doesn’t seem to register is constant ‘just denounce’ order is actually completely unrealistic in law and in practicalities.

What doesn’t seem to register is the complete lack of suggestions as to how an organiser is to achieve the acceptable level of purity.

What doesn’t seem to register is that many people are very suspicious of the motives of any person who thinks that having a list of sins for a person within their movement that they disagree with? That a large proportion of those ‘sins’ are what has also been said by other ‘approved’ feminists as well.

So, yes. I am deeply, deeply suspicious that a group of feminists are setting up a person they disagree with on some aspects of what they say yet agree with, to fail forever.

And in doing so have become the totalitarians that they are accusing others of.

Denounce. Denounce.

Repent motherfucker, repent!!!

well, no, that would be authoritarianism but not actual fascism.

Many people don't really understand what fascism is, and throw it around willy nilly as some sort of all purpose smear.