Men of the far right and the women's movement

Yet, you are just doubling down through your continued posting.

It's almost like fanning the flames is the point.

What is your aim here?

The more you post, the clearer it gets that your group seems to be out of step with the majority of the movement. Even out of step with Julie Bindel in some instances and with Kathleen Stock since she has changed her view.

So to be clear, out of step with other LGB women's activists.

Yet, you are just doubling down through your continued posting.

Oh by the way. On the subject of the legal case from Freddy, Julie Bindel said this:

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/julie-bindel-say-child-has-no-mother-deny-biological-reality/

"Children have a right to know from where they came. If trans men can be recorded as a father, it would set a precedent, where if a child is taken into care, that child will never know who their mother was, they would literally only see a father on the birth certificate. Single and gay men can adopt and raise children perfectly well, but denying the existence of a birth mother, I believe, amounts to cruelty."

Another sin for Bindel's page! Add it to the surrogacy and grooming gangs. Better get cracking.... or is it truly just Kellie Jay Keen your mate has such a prejudiced view on....

Do you see the issue yet?

www.yahoo.com/news/transgender-men-nonbinary-people-asked-123112148.html

Here you go Sappho.

I am sure you will read this and think, well, why isn't there robust data. But think about the ethics of that. How many human babies should be put at risk to 'allow' a group to continue to take testosterone? What is the number you are happy with, Sappho?

That is why there is little data and it is 'murky'.

The exact same argument was used for Puberty Blockers, and for negative side-effects of cross sex hormones for females. And double mastectomies. Look how that is working out?

So, Sappho. You posted the screenshot. Care to explain why one small group of people should be exempt from centring the child instead of their own desires?

Did you read any of the Freddy threads Saph? Because that’s an extremely mainstream view on this board.

yes. I recommend anyone who has never actually thought about it to go and look up the well known side effects of taking testosterone throughout pregnancy. Google will bring up numerous studies, you should read through to work out which are credible and which are not.Up until now, of course, most of it was done on rats. But I would consider that the constriction of blood flow to the uterus is quite well known considering it was a result of several studies before 'transitioned females' became something to be concerned about.

That constriction of blood quite obviously would account for small foetal size found in other research and has been noted in humans.

Now, knowing this is a highly likely potential side effect Sappho, do you think it is something that you support? A female taking testosterone knowing that it is highly likely to harm their child?

This is it. It's just about finding ANYTHING at all they think will make Posie "look bad" so they can be the best big girls ever.

It's pathetic. I like what rufus said. You're boring me now.

Who cares? They're going to hate you anyway, no matter what the nuances. You can't change that, so all this "do it to Julia" stuff is just demeaning and destructive - to you and to the women who bravely spoke at KJK's event.

You weren't brave enough. You want the boys to like you more than you want women's rights.

Personally I find it pathetic, but it's your right to set those boundaries. Just stop expecting other women to be bounded in by them.

Did you read any of the Freddy threads Saph? Because that’s an extremely mainstream view on this board.

It's a gotcha.

Except it isn't. And not just because the context. How can it be a gotcha when Posie doesn't speak for Sapphos or her brighton friends.

It's just another stick to beat her over the head with.

The power of that tiny blonde is extraordinary isn't it!

Sorry.

Have you seen any research that has made the past research that testosterone has serious negative effects on developing babies redundant?

Or is this another ‘I only thought about this from x perspective and haven’t read widely about it to establish a child centred perspective’?

See, it's not this message that bothers you Sappho. It's Posie personally. You've brought this message up several times when you were a TRA and everyone responded with the context.

It was you as a TRA who thought this message was out of order. And now it's you as a gender critical supporter, who thinks it is.

And a few minutes ago it was HoO who was out of order.

it's Posie you don't like. And not because of these messages. There a million people who write messages that you don't like.

But it's the successful women's rights activist who gets in the neck.

And seriously, I know this might be difficult for you to grasp, given your past, but no one gives a flying fuck what TRAs think. They are not the ones people are trying to reach. It's the media and politicians who hold the power.

So, where is the sin-denounciation-list of the TRAs, where they distance themselves from their ‚die in a fire‘ and ‚smash the TERFs’ head‘ individuals?
Or is that just overheated rhetoric while all Posie says is a manifesto cut in stone?

OK. So Sapphos, how you seen any research that has made the past research that testosterone has serious negative effects on developing babies?

If so, please post it.

Because even a recent ‘females taking testosterone should be allowed to continue throughout pregnancy despite the KNOWN risks’ article admitted there are potential adverse risks to the feotus and expect there are many other side effects that are unknown due to ages of the children so far.

Are you quite comfortable with mothers making those choices?

I am going to do a ‘if only’ here myself.

If only Brighton feminists released a statement that said we have political differences with SFW and won’t be attending and left it at that, I imagine this would have died away.

But no. I assume one of the people named on this or another thread who had to tweet and start the bullying cycle was probably involved in compiling and publishing the ‘sin list’.

Gosh. Imagine being someone so unable to accept another person’s views that you resorted to listing misrepresentations and untrue things on a sin list and tweeting somethings that started a schism that has now become so divisive that women are now looking at the ‘left wing’ feminists with distrust.

Well done that person.

I don't think they should be accused of being woke, anti free speech, puritan head girls.

It's hardly the worst insult ever, is it? Maybe they should think about how they come across to other women. I'm sure we should all self reflect on a regular basis.

And you, Sappho have lost the plot if you believe walking on egg-shells in regards to TRAs and throwing women like Posie under the bus will advance the feminist cause.

Has it ever occurred to you that TRAs might demand such things like the denunciation of other activists, like Posie, in order to destroy the movement as a whole?

But it was retrospectively used as a reason. I don’t consider that particularly honest.

Quite.

You people are boring me fucking witless

I've got real life shit occupying me

Prove it or fuck off

I heart Rufus. Cutting through all the waffling nothingness.

Sorry. Let’s all remember that the HoO was mentioned as a ‘reason’ for not attending, when not one person knew who the people were before Alf’s video and no one knew they were streaming until after it was discovered they’d done it.

But it was retrospectively used as a reason. I don’t consider that particularly honest.

You have a register with Posie‘s ‚sins‘ to signal to the TRAs that you are not bad girls like her, but the good ones?

Makes me wonder where you folk draw the line when it comes to throwing women under the bus.

Looks like you are ready to make quite a lot of concessions to acquiesce the TRAs. But Posie‘s the one with the line-drawing issues…

Oh right, so you are doing the pick me dance for TRAs.

-If people think the feminists in Brighton and SFW are one and the same that would give the TRAs much ammunition.

So this all started because TRAs lack the ability to think critically, to make balanced judgements and that your area is obviously so saturated with them that it is supposedly ok to have started this purity purge.

Good to know.

I don't see why you couldn't just say "this event is nothing to do with us" and be done with it.

I don't think KJK's event was going to be accidentally credited to you.

No need for the endless harassment - and yes, it is harassment and bullying - of women who have nothing to do with you.

And frankly, if whatever you are up to "behind the scenes" can be harmed by women speaking the truth, then maybe you're the ones who have some unsavoury associations.