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Men of the far right and the women's movement

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SapphosRock · 28/09/2022 16:12

Excellent article from Jean Hatchett about the recent fascism debate.

https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

This bit really struck me:

On one side of the fence are aggressive men screaming “fascist” at women who are clearly not. On the other side, skulking in the shadows, beneath the banners of women, are men who clearly are.

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Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:57

DomesticatedZombie · 29/09/2022 09:55

You rang?

I had no idea truffle pizzas were a thing. I'm in.

You are back!!! Wonderful!!

Cheese pizza with truffle oil is good. A rare treat is one with a slice of truffle.

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 09:56

Anyone remember that game, Pass the Pigs?

We could have an antifascist version. Fash the Pigs. Roll the pigs and if they form the shape of a swastika, you're fash and can't come into the park.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:56

Surely this is a job for the Antifa / black pampas?

Don’t be daft, Antifa hate pigs.
ACAB.
APAB?

Not a good idea as it will get confused and if any feminist has had a truffle pizza, or truffle crisps

Definitely a problem for B-right-on dwellers.

I’ll stick with my northern pie and peawet. Much safer.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:56

No hep. Pigs don't talk.

And I don't have enough time to teach a pig to push a choice of buttons to indicate they found a fascist or a truffle.

DomesticatedZombie · 29/09/2022 09:55

You rang?

I had no idea truffle pizzas were a thing. I'm in.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:55

Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it?

Right! And imagine going back to the source of who wrote about Kellie Jay Keen being a poundshop Le Pin? Are you out there denouncing Sarah Ditum for coining such an offensive phrase? Or indeed being part of the 'domesticated zombie' interaction?

No. You are here telling posters off for their privilege of saying they want a t-shirt with a slogan on.

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 09:54

Is it a talking 🐖?

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 09:53

If the pig says you're fash, you're fash. It's an antifascist pig, how could it be wrong?

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:50

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 09:49

Can it do truffles also? I like a truffle.

Not a good idea as it will get confused and if any feminist has had a truffle pizza, or truffle crisps, the pig will think snuffle them and we will think they are fascists!

And they could be.

FOJN · 29/09/2022 09:49

Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it?

Please understand I don't give a shit. KJK stands accused of being a poundshop marine le pen and associating with fascists. One is a wholly unnecessary classist slur and the other is untrue. Why would I care about defending myself against shit people make up. My suggestion is about taking away the power of the accusation to do reputational damage and highlighting it's absurdity.

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 09:49

An Anti Fascist Pig?

Surely this is a job for the Antifa / black pampas?

They did a very poor job of Antifa-ing at Brighton. Perhaps the Brighton Feminist gang could give them some training in checking ID and Twitter accounts in public places as they seem to focus on middle aged women by mistake.

The Brighton Feminist gang could have shared their intel in advance with the Black Pampas and the offensive fascist pigs could have been surrounded immediately by Antifa with Carly May taking all the credit.

How different the Brighton Argus reports would have been. Carly May would have been covered in glory instead of pig sh**.

Brighton Feminist gang - do better.

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 09:49

Can it do truffles also? I like a truffle.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:49

ClogLady

I hear you. But how many farmers have the sense to understand there are only two sexes. I would be completely upfront about what the pig will be used for. I will have to ask permission though for photos because someone will inevitably create a meme for the Fascist hunter pig that will misrepresent what the pig does and because it is snuffling the Fascist, some people will say it is associating with the fascist and will create a 'Fascist Pig' meme.

That meme will go on other t-shirts that some people may have the privilege to do.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:44

Isn’t the pig owner scared of being snuffled out as a crypto-fascist due to loaning said pig to women from ‘Prosecco Stormfront’?

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:41

Can we afford the pig?

I am sure I can get us a pig. I am not quite up on the training of said pig, but I do have some knowledge with livestock. I am sure I can borrow a pig bartering some home grown vegetables and herbs and we can put that pig to work.

We can also charge anyone some money for photos of the pig (not picking up the pig for cuddles, because I am not sure that any pig really wants to have a whole lot of people cuddling it. An occasional pat will be fine I think) to then give back to the owner of the pig.

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 09:36

Look. If fascists want to hear and share what ordinary women are saying about the impact of gender ideology on their and their kids' lives, then surely that's a good thing?

If fascists are spreading the message, "don't mutilate kids," then what's the problem?

Let them livestream it. I hope ALL the 29 paid up fascists in the UK saw it.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:36

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:22

hey ClogLady, am I in your inner circle now?

Will you take my word that I am not a fascist? Or will I have to pass the Fascist pig test?

Can we afford the pig?

shall we ask the Brighton Feminist Gang to issue a grant for purchasing a an Anti Fascist Pig?

Or shall we flog a lot of t shirts out of the back of the van?

I’m going for the second option.

(even if they do buy us an anti fascist pig we’ll likely only be allowed to use it at properly ticketed feminist conferences)

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:36

And we are also not on this thread creating extra divisiveness by declaring getting a slogan onto a t-shirt (which any child or teen can do if they are crafty enough, despite 'class') is privilege.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:33

Maybe certain members of the public who aren't part of your wee Posie gang? Is there anything in your head beyond Posie Parker and getting one up on the so called "Head Girls" ?

And here we go again. This is the absolutism that we constantly see from extreme trans activists.

Hands up any person on this thread who considers themselves as part of an exclusive 'Posie' gang, and 'getting one up on the so called 'Head girls'?

Anyone?

Or are we quite happy to admit that sometimes Kellie Jay missteps, but that monitoring who live-streams an event held in a public space is not actually something that I have seen ANY feminist group do at their rally. In fact, it is probably luck more than good organising. (Imagine if Julie Bindel ended up with someone live streaming her talking outside the library the other day!)

And are many of us also usually the ones who appreciate what many feminists do and appreciate them for who they are without needing to denounce them. And we can still assess how balanced their articles are without declaring them to be 'head girls' or anything else.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:32

Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it ?

depends on whether they are privileged enough to be sneered at by Sarah Ditum or not, no?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/09/2022 09:27

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 09:05

FOJN · Yesterday 18:39

I'm so tempted to get a T shirt printed with "poundshop fascist and proud".

Do it. Maybe Posie will make some and sell them to you and you can show us you mean business.
No privilege there at all

Jesus

KJK really does bring out the nutcase in some people doesn’t she?

is it because she doesn’t give a shit what you think that she drives you quite so mad?

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:27

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 09:22

I grew up with an outside toilet . Shared with the entire close Next .
Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it ? Maybe certain members of the public who aren't part of your wee Posie gang? Is there anything in your head beyond Posie Parker and getting one up on the so called "Head Girls" ?

Would you like me to list all the other things I lacked so we can have an oppression face off because it wasn't 'just an outside toilet' I was talking about.

Or can you just admit your post was actually quite ridiculous on an internationally access forum trying to pull in 'privilege' over getting a slogan onto a t-shirt.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 09:24

Yes, some posters on MN have a fascination on trying to define 'class' and 'privilege'. It is as useful these days as teets on a bull (as my mum would have said) and what you say is true considering most of us would have access even to a plain t-shirt that still fits and can be easily painted with anything we like.

And again, being able to afford to travel to an approved feminist conference and pay the entry fee (or just travel if you get a free ticket).

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 09:22

I grew up with an outside toilet . Shared with the entire close Next .
Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it ? Maybe certain members of the public who aren't part of your wee Posie gang? Is there anything in your head beyond Posie Parker and getting one up on the so called "Head Girls" ?

FOJN · 29/09/2022 09:22

Moresaltnvinegarplease

You've quoted me twice, I'm flattered.