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Men of the far right and the women's movement

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SapphosRock · 28/09/2022 16:12

Excellent article from Jean Hatchett about the recent fascism debate.

https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

This bit really struck me:

On one side of the fence are aggressive men screaming “fascist” at women who are clearly not. On the other side, skulking in the shadows, beneath the banners of women, are men who clearly are.

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Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 11:41

*feminism

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 11:41

What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism thanks to some selfish ,working for God knows who Eva fucking Braun money grabbing rentagob? Yeah I owe her loads .She's a real Pankhurst . Working class hero my arse ..

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 29/09/2022 11:23

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:09

We are not the ones on this thread board throwing around the word.

And we are not the ones who are stirring up division.

Just the fucking opposite if you read any of my posts. We are saying, sure KJK missteps. I don't know if many people wholly agree with her on everything. There will be some who do. But we are saying we appreciate all the feminists for their work and I actually believe, that feminists should not be calling people 'Poundshop Le Pins' or domesticated zombies or vile piles of dog shit or as thick as a turd (or whatever Julie Bindel said about KJK) as some other feminists, and can just disagree with each other without the derogatory remarks.

What the actual fuck do you think many of the posters on this and other threads are saying?

I could translate what we are saying to what some on this board are hearing

But some fucker will take it out of context and use it as proof of a KJK fan club

So I'm not gonna

LK1972 · 29/09/2022 11:16

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:24

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

They should be informed that their feminist approved access to women's thoughts on this matter is strictly controlled and can only be accessed by reading a Julie Bindel article in with the Daily Mail or Spectator.

And under no circumstances are they supposed to repeat, or 'regurgitate' what JB says, or JB will magically become a fascist Wink

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:24

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

They should be informed that their feminist approved access to women's thoughts on this matter is strictly controlled and can only be accessed by reading a Julie Bindel article in with the Daily Mail or Spectator.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 29/09/2022 10:24

Excellent article. Well done, Jean!

Imnobody4 · 29/09/2022 10:23

Liked this.

Men of the far right and the women's movement
Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:21

Sorry. I forgot, tutting is the answer.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:20

Maybe we need a secret feminist intelligence organisation to produce those flip cards so all women who are not aligned but live-streaming even one speech can be suitably intimidated by, what, staring???, until they leave.

What about if they just take stills, is that ok?

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

FOJN · 29/09/2022 10:18

(I am going to bet that the hypothetical T shirt doesn't exist.)

Hell no. I'm inclined to be provocative when annoyed but I'm not that daft. 😁 Only one person on the thread is daft enough to pretend to take it seriously.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:17

Well, hey. I think I put up the pig as an option on two other threads without comment. Anti-fascist pig needed their moment in the sun as it shows just how ridiculous the notion of assessing who can 'live stream' is.

So.... a woman who is not aligned with fighting for the rights of all females against the impact of gender identity could livestream and how would we know? Are there flip cards with images of all women who are against the fight available?

This could be another destination that we are headed to.

Just incase my pig doesn't work out.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 29/09/2022 10:12

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:32

Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it ?

depends on whether they are privileged enough to be sneered at by Sarah Ditum or not, no?

They have t shirt printing shops in the asda near here

Mucho privilege

On a positive note my autocorrect has finally learned that when I type 'facist ' I mean 'fascist' (because I've typed it so many sodding times recently)

Which is a bonus

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 10:12

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 10:08

'creating extra divisions' would be people flinging names about and accusing women of 'fascism' or 'aligning with fascists'. I'd say.

Not making a joke about T shirts.

(I am going to bet that the hypothetical T shirt doesn't exist.)

Busted.

We made the pig up too.

LK1972 · 29/09/2022 10:10

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 09:36

Look. If fascists want to hear and share what ordinary women are saying about the impact of gender ideology on their and their kids' lives, then surely that's a good thing?

If fascists are spreading the message, "don't mutilate kids," then what's the problem?

Let them livestream it. I hope ALL the 29 paid up fascists in the UK saw it.

Not according to Jean Hatchett seemingly, as she writes about Tommy Robinson:
'Alarmingly, during his speech he appeared to be seconding and regurgitating some of the views of feminist women on the trans issue'

I feel in her view anything said by a fascist becomes problematic, even if they agree with your own argument.

It's like - here are fascists, they are entirely unreachable 'other' who should be shunned, as they are not capable of rational arguments and their serpent's tongues will spread poison (even if they don't talk, just livestream).

The left is excellent as demonising and dehumanising, the scale of atrocities committed against their own people by left authoritarian regimes far outstrips those by right ones. Stalin, Mao and Pol Potwere mainly concerned with rooting out internal enemies, wiping out tens of millions in peace times.

So proud of left-wing women in carrying on the great traditions, let's just ostracise those we disagree with, dehumanise them and behave like their very presence is contagious, that's the way to build a better, fairer, more compassionate society Hmm

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:09

We are not the ones on this thread board throwing around the word.

And we are not the ones who are stirring up division.

Just the fucking opposite if you read any of my posts. We are saying, sure KJK missteps. I don't know if many people wholly agree with her on everything. There will be some who do. But we are saying we appreciate all the feminists for their work and I actually believe, that feminists should not be calling people 'Poundshop Le Pins' or domesticated zombies or vile piles of dog shit or as thick as a turd (or whatever Julie Bindel said about KJK) as some other feminists, and can just disagree with each other without the derogatory remarks.

What the actual fuck do you think many of the posters on this and other threads are saying?

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 10:08

'creating extra divisions' would be people flinging names about and accusing women of 'fascism' or 'aligning with fascists'. I'd say.

Not making a joke about T shirts.

(I am going to bet that the hypothetical T shirt doesn't exist.)

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:07

Re whoever said I have a rage about Posie etc ..she annoys me as she has obviously undone any good work that real feminists have done with her shenanighans

We are all ears. Do tell us what has come undone?

No points for any references to pathetic Twitter TRAs bleating about fash.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:05

'people in power'

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:04

Do you not think flirting with slogans about fascism could be seen as offensive to some members of the public who have memories of the horrific history of facism???

Have you really thought this through?

There are people in this movement throwing around the word 'fascist', calling people 'fascist' who are not fascist, without considering just how fucked up that is when you consider the people who are even now currently living under truly fascist people.

Yes.... We fucking DO get it. That is why a poster made a joke about it. It has become ridiculous.

We are not the ones on this thread board throwing around the word.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:01

Do you not think flirting with slogans about fascism could be seen as offensive to some members of the public who have memories of the horrific history of facism???

I do. As I have just said. Go and talk to the person who was responsible for coining the phrase.

And does that mean that t-shirts cannot have slogans that some people might find offensive?

Really? Shall we extrapolate where that then goes as well?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/09/2022 10:00

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 09:58

Helleofabore · Today 09:36

And we are also not on this thread creating extra divisiveness by declaring getting a slogan onto a t-shirt (which any child or teen can do if they are crafty enough, despite 'class') is privilege.

Nope. That went right over your head didn't it.Do you not think flirting with slogans about fascism could be seen as offensive to some members of the public who have memories of the horrific history of facism???
Re whoever said I have a rage about Posie etc ..she annoys me as she has obviously undone any good work that real feminists have done with her shenanighans. As a person ? She is as meaningless to my life as I am to hers.¹

Fuck me

do you not think calling someone who isn’t a fascist a fascist might offend too?

you’re unhinged on this subject

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 10:00

She is as meaningless to my life as I am to hers.

Unlikely. You're here obsessively ranting about PP and she doesn't even know you exist.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 10:00

That went right over your head didn't it.Do you not think flirting with slogans about fascism could be seen as offensive to some members of the public who have memories of the horrific history of facism???

It’s based on Sarah Ditum’s tweet. Take it up with her.

DomesticatedZombie · 29/09/2022 09:58

Fab. As a muddle class zombie, I will add it to the list of quick and easy dinners.

Sourdough crust with truffle slices for the naice ladies.

Deep fried with extra truffle oil for the ones who identify as Northern at birth.

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 09:58

Helleofabore · Today 09:36

And we are also not on this thread creating extra divisiveness by declaring getting a slogan onto a t-shirt (which any child or teen can do if they are crafty enough, despite 'class') is privilege.

Nope. That went right over your head didn't it.Do you not think flirting with slogans about fascism could be seen as offensive to some members of the public who have memories of the horrific history of facism???
Re whoever said I have a rage about Posie etc ..she annoys me as she has obviously undone any good work that real feminists have done with her shenanighans. As a person ? She is as meaningless to my life as I am to hers.¹