Men of the far right and the women's movement

"and will likely only donate small amounts to individual crowd finders rather than give to an org."

Yes, ClogLady, although I'll keep on paying subs to Sex Matters because they are apolitical, they are driven, they and Legal Feminist get things done. (That's an understatement!).
This particular group of women also got stuck in to Maya, accusing her of reaping in the cash, her being at the SFW was a betrayal to the left and meant she was affiliated to the far right.
I know I'm waffling on but if I'm honest these left women sound like the kids at my daughter's school who shout down anyone who dares to question the BLM or trans narrative. Try to shame them by calling them bigots and racists, try to cancel them on tiktok and Insta by calling them transphobes. The exact same group (they call themselves lefties) who Chuck lesbians out of the school LGBT club because these poor girls don't want to date transboys.

When will they wake up and realise they're just playground bullies?

I wonder how long it will take before they are able to step back enough to survey the ashes of all they have burned to the ground in their single minded pursuit of Posie?

I wouldn’t survive one of their purity spirals, so I’m certainly not going to risk being torn apart by them, much easier to avoid instead.

I’ve just quietly muted the few I’m Facebook connected to and will likely only donate small amounts to individual crowd finders rather than give to an org.

And I used to be an elected officer for Momentum * locally, so crap knows what women outside of the left organising world are making of it all.

It all feels a bit cringe, as the kids say.

*yes, I know! Magical Hippy Grandpa and Li’l Owen the Sanctimonious Morph were once my BFFs. Cringe!

I think that there are some relevant points the Helen Joyce has written about in her latest article on the topic.

And when I read her takes and DJ Lippy's reference to the historical split, I begin to get a clearer picture.

Some posters are here saying:

'We may or may not always agree with any feminist but we are determined to make sure they all appreciated for their good efforts. However, we feel that this demand on one woman to denounce groups who are amplifying women's voices for their own gains is hypocritical considering the type of event and that NO other prominent woman having the same style of event is denounced in the same way, so let's see some practical solutions suggested rather than weak 'but it needs to be done' pleas while pointing fingers slyly or even overtly abusing that woman.'

are being painted as 'Posie's gang' or 'worshippers'.

Some posters are ok to ignore the slyness of some of these articles or to ignore the plain to see bullying nature of some of the people who are writing 'sin lists' on websites to be seen as keeping out of it or remaining righteous or what ever reason. The actions and motivations of the feminists, even those faintly or slyly vilifying KJK are being ignored. But it is ok to ignore these because of a form of 'moral license' or something similar, that Helen Joyce described today.

I still have yet to get a more clearer picture than 'this person - good' vs 'this person -bad' from some posters, but maybe we will get there.

Dozens of women are getting stuck in and being extremely hateful to the point of it becoming a single issue for them. Which is steeped in irony.

I saw on a Facebook post earlier someone challenging one of the Jean Hatchett headgirl clique to have a showdown debate with Posie Parker.
This would be very interesting. I am sure Posie would be up for it, but I suspect that this particular far-left woman would be far too intimidated and will make up an excuse of not wanting to 'talk to the far right'. I am watching that dialogue with interest. (Wondering when the woman daring to question the leftie will be blocked).

Posie could perhaps make a statement saying she doesn't affiliate herself with that Oak group. Personally I would. But it's her choice. She's open and honest about saying she wants to make money. Why not?
I would rather buy merch that's a bit more subtle and individual, like Lily Maynard's wonderful clothes. But that's my choice and I don't get why women want to police other women's spending choices.

I wonder if this is part of the problem.

When victimhood is your currency, someone who comes along selling merchandise, flashing their manicure and blow dry and claiming they never lose, must be a bit of a blow.

She has said before how lucky she is to be in a position to do all this. Someone acknowledging that their privilege gives them agency, isn't really going to give a shiny shit when you try to use that privilege against them.

You're right Bernard. Being told she wasn't a proper feminist didn't bother her, the pretend alliances don't bother her, and neither does pointing out her privilege.

There's nothing in the Arsenal, and that's got to smart.

Just what I was thinking @mirax , getting a real domestic abuse victim dynamic with this situation: lashing out at other women saying 'he's a complete bastard, take the kids and run' with 'no, it was my fault for looking at that bloke, if I don't that that in future he'll respect me and won't batter me again, and you're just jealous 'cos nobody ever loved you the way he loves me'. (Sorry, above is practically my mother verbatim for many years, in case anyone takes this as lack of sympathy/understanding/compassion).

The left is handing this whole issue over to the right, here, in the States, in Europe, and then call us right wing for working with the only people who are actually listening to what women are saying.

The left needs to get their shit together if they want the moderates to support them, rather than lecture us on who we hang out with.

And sadly, I'm starting to lose respect for those left-wing women who continue with this line of attack - it's their issue with Labour party. I don't care. Don't taint GC movement with these batshit ideological purity tests beloved of the left, sort your own fucking party out before you call anyone else a fascist.

It is like with domestic abuse victims. They are convinced their comrades really love them despite the repeated punches to the face and the public humiliation - not even let through the door at this year's Convention- and are hitting out at the wrong targets - rather predictably other women.

So. Two pigs. Right wing pig and Left wing pig.... Who are the fascists again? Who are the authoritarians?

True.

Although I like my terminology to be specific so we really need a pig that can snuffle out Left-Wing-Authoritarianism, eg Antifa & the posters who keep popping up to tell us that we don’t need freedom of speech and should stop saying we do because it’s making them look bad in front of their balaclava clad, Antifa-fash mate (who they sit next to at CLP meetings).

Jean loves stirring the old drama pot eh? She never seems to tire of it.

She's not the only one.

Fashy the Pig could still be useful here on MN.

The same self-righteous people who have given the fringe organisations and individuals they deplore more free publicity than they could have hoped for in a million years.

I seriously doubt that if "extremists, real extremists" turned up at every public GC event, such as Bindel's speech at Nottingham, it would be in order to "divide and conquer". More likely to hang on the coat tails of GC women, try to recruit to their cause (and they will be rebuffed with a flea in their ear by the majority leftie-liberal-centrist women at the event) but they will win anyway by garnering yet more publicity. (Thank you again, socialist feminists, for your staggering lack of political nouse!)

Unless you mean to give the pathetic "Antifa" mob a kicking? That is certainly not beyond the realms of possibility - and would put an end to the entirely empowering grassroots events that KJK has been running so successfully. Which is all that those socialist feminists desire: for KJK to fail, because if they can't win this battle then nobody else can be allowed to.

All this for what? For their dream that they will not only be able to turn around the Labour Party but will also be able to offer up their trophy of a GC win to Labour, so that Labour can brandish it at a grateful electorate. Eddie Izzard will have seen which way the wind was blowing, rejected the option being on an All Women Shortlist, and be campaigning to win a safe seat "identifying" as a man - in a frock. And they will lap it up - dear old Eddie, they will be fighting to carry water and write glowing articles.

Fight your battle within the Labour Party, sisters, it is a worthy cause. Just stop trying to put the kibosh on women who are organising at grassroots level and having success doing so - in the public square and in swaying public opinion.

Jean says:
"Keep your eyes peeled, women. This movement is not for rent to fascist men. This is our opportunity to follow our Olympian weightlifting sisters and say, “No, thank you.”

I look forward to seeing the live stream of the next (sorry, first) public space, open mic event that Jean organises and compères - with her "eyes peeled".

Definitely no flag fuckery!

Maybe a few t shirts (to demonstrate our ‘privilege’)?

Ooh, a schism? I'm all for it! Let's NOT have a flag!

😀😀😀

’What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism thanks to some selfish ,working for God knows who Eva fucking Braun money grabbing rentagob?’

Posie isn’t a ‘Gender Critical feminist’ but well done to you for giving us another chance to cross ‘nazi’ off the bingo board.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY

I dunno about the rest of my FWR chums but I am starting to think we need a rebrand so as to distance ourselves from all the completely nonsensical ‘GC feminists’ who’ve popped up to spout authoritarian bile in the last week or two.
It’s getting very hard to tell ‘left wing feminist’ from ‘TRA’ what with all this bash-the-fash overlap in the Venn diagram.

Re whoever said I have a rage about Posie etc ..she annoys me as she has obviously undone any good work that real feminists have done with her shenanighans

Who are the real feminists? I hope that even under your stringent purity criteria WPUK qualify. I was very impressed with them when they formed. They were so measured, reasonable and respectful. I really thought they wouldn't be ignored. This is what they wanted to accomplish:

We want to ensure that:

women’s voices are heard in all areas of public life
women’s rights are upheld in law and policy.

Our campaign resolutions or ‘wants’ are:

Women have a right to self-organise
An end to violence against women
Nothing about us without us
The law must work for women
Sex matters.

Instead they were branded a transphobic hate group by the Labour party despite not mentioning trans once in their objectives. Recognition that sex matters was accomplished by someone else. The real feminists are still waiting for their preferred political party to even acknowledge they exist and are now denigrating a woman who has galvanised women in a way they couldn't.

It is surely only a matter of time?

I expect that extremists, real extremists, will now do this every time. It is a sure way to divide and conquer.

Handed to them by people who feel they are more righteous than others.

Hard to avoid the fact that too many of those who are joining in pointing fingers, even subtly like this Jean Hatchet article, are not providing any reasoned solutions, just accusations is being missed by many.

And I thought the Fascist hunting pig was ridiculous....

Helleofabore - "(Imagine if Julie Bindel ended up with someone live streaming her talking outside the library the other day!)"

Glorious! 😂

It is surely only a matter of time?

Although I would prefer if it happened to Jean Hatchet, Jeni Harvey or one of the Brighton Witch-Finder mob. They are the ones who have been wielding the verbal knuckle-dusters for head-pats from the Blue Ticks and Leftie Prefects.

Of course they would still blame JKJ, for having the same views as them and 99% of rest of the population (including the 29 card-carrying UK fascists as apparently these are the only people who matter to them).

Despite it being all their own fault for not having hired an accredited anti-fash pig (at very reasonable rates) to sniff out Nazi infiltrators.

Hepwo - "Surely this is a job for the Antifa / black pampas?
They did a very poor job of Antifa-ing at Brighton. Perhaps the Brighton Feminist gang could give them some training in checking ID and Twitter accounts in public places as they seem to focus on middle aged women by mistake."

Faultlessly argued. Antifa really are falling down on the job. Yet again the problem seems to be failure to engage the services of anti-fash bacon.

ps. Can't be said often enough, this post is the bee's bollocks, cat's knees, dog's pyjamas:

"Feminism and the Far Left. Let Women Speak"
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/feminism-and-the-far-left-let-women-speak

Archive:
web.archive.org/web/20220926194637/makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/feminism-and-the-far-left-let-women-speak

You seem lovely. Keep up the great feministing!

@Moresaltnvinegarplease More of this sort of content please. But remember to wipe down your keyboard occasionally.

(And the careful, but incomprehensible, correction follow-up is rather endearing).

What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism

Gosh this is shocking news, they're going after GC feminists now they've failed to trash KJK, she'll be relieved to know its not personal.

You didn't think KJK was a GC feminist did you?