is our aim protecting our sex based rights or is the issue our political leanings?

The issue is that actual fascists were at the Standing for Women talk and none of the supporters seems to have an issue with that.

Decriminalised under who @FlowersBloomInAutumn? The Conservatives have been in power for 12 years. The Conservatives have been in power for most of British democratic history.

Making misogyny a Hate Crime would increase the chance of conviction against misogynists. It would also increase the sentences given to men who abuse women. But the Tory party said "No".

And they were fine with putting a minister in the Despatch Box to say TWAW and TMAM in response to commonsensical amendments to the Maternity Bill, Maternity Bill getting rid of gender woo.

Making misogyny a hate crime would do nothing at all to help women, since currently, rape and sexual assault are effectively decriminalised.

You are right @vivariumvivariumsvivaria, those women were murdered because of their sex. The Conservative government refused to make misogyny a Hate Crime. But they were fine with proposing Self ID.

I’m saving my sympathy for the families of the women & children who were murdered not Jess Philips, a politician who can’t even be bothered to who actually do something by speaking out about the rights of women, girls and children. She is a disgrace.

Jess Philips seems to have splinters in her arse from all the fence-sitting.

This is why i regard her "dead women" list reading each year in the House of Commons as purely virtue-signalling performative stuff on her own behalf. She does fuck-all useful to defend living women and children.

And where are the legislative changes? And you can't surely deny there are plenty on the Conservative side now querying this policy - and perhaps more importantly not being stifled by their party from querying it.

In all the decades the Conservatives have been in power the only major changes to the 1967 Act were the reduction of the "on demand" time limit from 28 weeks to 24 weeks and permitting the permanent use of telemedicine consulting in the early weeks. Given the improved outcomes for premature babies 28 weeks became untenable.

It's scaremongering to claim abortion rights are at risk under a Tory government.

In the sense that Conservative PM Theresa May announced it as policy.

A short tweet from Baroness Nicholson.
Did I read somewhere she’d invited Sarah Ditum to tea or was that a dream? (I’ve got a viral infection (not COVID), have been a bit out of it with rigor/febrile dreams the last couple of days).

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1573885116623069184?s=21&t=243Cr1n6Xb7GaqScnwE00g

Did she say that Jess phillips was one of those who did not support her? I've had a google but not coming up with anything.

And I know this because I asked both of them. Why don’t you ask them yourself?

In what sense has it been made a policy? It was an issue which merited consideration- other countries have done so.

Has any legislation followed from it?

Jo Cherry has said that she hasn’t received any support from any of her direct colleagues at Westminster including Blackford & Black, and her “ leader “ Sturgeon but has received support from many, many other Westminster colleagues. Jess Philips was not one of those, same with Rosie Duffield, crickets from Philips...

Have Rosie Duffield or Jo Cherry talked about Jess Phillips and her lack of support? What did they say?

Just catching up with thread. As KPSS said upthread:

"Jess Philips hasn’t said a word of support to Rosie Duffield, Jo Cherry or to any of her colleagues who have had murder & rape threats or to any women’s groups who are fighting back. She should be ashamed of herself."

I do get the feeling a few years now that her, Jess Phillips, reading dead women's names does seem performative, when she fails to stand for living women's rights.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2022/31/contents/enacted

Here is the enacted Bill. I can't find any trace of those amendments.

It's late and maybe I'm missing something but the only reference to abortion is section 178 which amends the 1967 Act to permit telemedication- so actually extends abortion rights.

The Bill was enacted in April 2022. The Independent article is referring to statements made by Ms Dorries, not ongoing legislation- she's been making such statements for many years to no effect. She has also made it clear that it's the time limit which concerns her- not the right to abortion.

The 1967 Act has had only 1 major revisal - the reduction of the effectively "on demand" time limit from 28 weeks to 24 weeks in November 1990; there is still no upper limit for exceptional threat to women's life cases.

The Tories have had decades of large majorities and have done nothing to restrict abortion rights other than reduce the limit from 28 weeks to 24. Improvements in caring for premature babies made 28 weeks untenable.

Even at 24 weeks the UK is an outlier with one of the longest time limits in the world- most of Europe, including the EU, are around half of that.

Because of women's rights issues, it's been about 7 years now since I last voted for any political party in any election - local or national.

Each time, I've made the effort to go to my local polling station, and then spoiled my ballot with paper with "Women don't have penises" or similar.

It's not a party political issue. It's a life issue. Either you think women are human, or you don't.

I shan't vote for any party, until any party starts really and genuinely accepting and accommodating women's rights, and safeguarding children against those who seek to harm them. And I shall applaud any woman who stands up for the rights of women and children.

Thanks for clarifying that.

You are absolutely right. What I have loved about feminism, over the past 50 years or so, is that women can contradict, dislike, dispute, oppose and have colossal arguments on crucial principles or tactics. Yet still work together towards the essential shared goals.

(Obviously I mean feminists, women who centre women. I’ve never understood why women who prioritise men over women would call themselves “feminist” — it’s not as if it’s fashionable.)

And it’s not just victims of domestic violence, it’s women & girls who were murdered by strangers as well.

Jess Philips reads out the names of all the women & girls murdered in the UK using the information supplied by Karen Ingala Smith from Counting Dead Women.

Jess Philips hasn’t said a word of support to Rosie Duffield, Jo Cherry or to any of her colleagues who have had murder & rape threats or to any women’s groups who are fighting back. She should be ashamed of herself.

They all died in a very gruesome way @vivariumvivariumsvivaria. Your "problem" is one that is addressed annually by a Left wing woman who stands in the House of Commons and reads out the names of women murdered by domestic violence to an almost empty Chamber so that their names are recorded in perpetuity by Hansard. And while you don't know about them, the Government does, yet does nothing.