Woman walked in on in Primark changing room

Exactly.

Well at least when the shit hits the fan again, there's a trace that they weighed boundaries against male desires.

I wonder if they are scared of pissing off the men or actively enjoying frustrating mums trying to safeguard children...

the needs of the actual users of the cubicles is definitely not the center of this decision.

In other words - fuck you women because men (however they identify) can do as they please.

Primark have updated the new policy. See the above link. No change. Men still allowed into women’s changing room.

“FAQ (Updated 3/10/22)

How will the new set-up work in practice?

The combined fitting room area is for everyone. The women-only area is for all women and customers are not required to provide identification. If someone appears to be deliberately trying to abuse the policy then the store will manage at their discretion. The changes we are introducing are informed by the feedback we have had from customers and colleagues. We have taken these steps to try to improve our customer experience whilst using our fitting rooms.”

"men" will do. There is no need for the bastard that is "cis", whether referring to women or men.

Cis men and trans women have the same offending rates and patters because male genitalia .

Thank you for the link, DameMaud. A quote from it by Primark: "We are currently reviewing our approach to fitting rooms in our stores to ensure these are always safe and inclusive spaces for everyone."

But that's the whole fucking point, isn't it? "Inclusive spaces for everyone" is always rolled out as a lovely and fluffy and rainbows and glitter word - "inclusive" - to put a lovely gloss on things.

But in real life, "inclusive for everyone" and "inclusiveness for everyone" and "inclusivity for everyone" is utterly meaningless. And when applied to women's former single-sex spaces for justifiable and provable protection against all males, regardless of "gender" - then "inclusive" etc have become weasel words, misdirection, misleading statements, creeping, in all senses; they mean "queering boundaries" = fucking up women and children and their lives, but with an academic gloss on it.

Exclusive is sometimes, possibly quite often, wholly necessary. For example, "Exclusive" is why the female national Welsh rugby team is never expected to compete against the male national Welsh rugby team. Not because anyone is being mean to anyone else, but because there's a strong possibility that the women could get very badly injured in such a scenario. There is "exclusiveness" for valid reasons.

*Exclusive" is necessary in spaces wherever women and girls are removing or changing clothes, for example. Male exclusion in such circumstances is necessary, in order to reduce the well-known and documented danger of male intimidation, aggression and violence towards women and girls.

And also, cruically, to ensure women and girls' safety, dignity and privacy. And feelings of personal comfort away from men. Women's feelings in a men's world "are" important.

Yes... You're probably right. A bit like the charity commission/mermaids thing. Best not to get hopes up for the tide turning much yet. Still, seems to be more sunlight pushing through in many areas.

They're just reviewing the situation, Dame Maud, and I'll bet the veg patch if not the farm that they'll decide no action need be taken.

Looks like the Twitter storm might have had an impact. (No mention of all the other incidents)
www.itv.com/news/anglia/2022-09-26/primark-reviews-unisex-changing-rooms-as-men-walk-in-on-woman

I really don’t get this ‘included’ stuff. You are trying on clothes.
The curtain is shut. Why does everyone need to be ‘included’ in that? Why do men need access to women trying on clothes.
Same with the bloody toilets.

River Island have the lockable doors on changing rooms- that’s all that this is going to achieve. I lock to keep pervy people out- whether male, female or identifying as a flipping tree.

The only (expensive) solution for stores would probably be to have completely individual changing rooms with locable doors and mirrors inside for privacy,

Which in essence and practicality will mean that male people get all the changing rooms and females will quit using them and having access to them.

And we're all supposed to pretend that sex isn't a thing, or dimorphic with one sex having all the power over the other which is a fixed fact from birth, and male people busy waving male dominance and misogyny in the faces of females are something different from entitled male people behaving really badly to females and enjoying doing so.

Male people after all can identify themselves as women and do whatever they want and no one can stop them. As a female person can I identify out of being treated like shit by male people and have them block my equal access to society and spaces? No. I can't.

Bit dimorphic and biologically sex based, this privilege, isn't it? Not inclusive. Not kind either.

They could use the same old changing rooms and make them 'female' and 'unisex'.

That simply won't work because the issue is with males who declare they're female and then demand access to the female designated space.That's the point for them.

A news reporter had a similar experience last summer in a Zara in London when she was suddenly confronted with two males coming into the women's dressing room, these men were completely masculine in appearance (not that that matters either) and the reporter was shocked at how upsetting and intimidating it was for her. She complained to the store staff but they told her they were instructed to allow anyone who say's they are female to go into the female changing area, even if they're clearly totally male.

The only (expensive) solution for stores would probably be to have completely individual changing rooms with locable doors and mirrors inside for privacy, My local M&S has that kind of arrangement but of course the extra space costs money!

As of just now, 2023 replies, 618 retweets and 1630 likes- they've been ratioed! People are not taking this.

They could use the same old changing rooms and make them 'female' and 'unisex'.

Thanks @Bosky for collating all that.
Primark response is hilarious. The solution male and female! Our store still has two separate areas (the old female and male) it wouldn't be hard. It won't be 100% full proof but will help prevent blatant spying.

I think sadly that this political movement has trained us all to be a lot more cynical having been taken for mugs so emphatically.

The only answers will realistically be to provide locked single rooms or to remove the changing rooms altogether, I agree. Until once more it is strongly taboo and socially unacceptable for male people to attempt to enter female spaces, there are going to be male people who determinedly take advantage of this genie having got out of the bottle for their own reasons. Including insisting on entering and controlling a female only space when a gender neutral one is available to them, as demonstrated by well known TW on twitter recently; they were finding it very funny to remove any access for females and demonstrate their greater power.

It is not reasonable to expect a usually female member of staff to try and guess whether someone entering the female space is male or not, or to deal with an angry male person insisting on their right to use the space they want to and to not care about the impact on anyone else. We've all seen the footage of the huge individual screaming "call me ma'am" into the face of a frightened shop assistant.

Yeah they are frantically trying to think of a third option that doesn't mean they sell fewer clothes. Good luck to them! I do feel like the tide is turning and they are finally learning that "be kind" doesn't actually work out in real life.

Well we know the solution won't be more staff

Nor will ot be lockable cubicles.

They won't stand for the abuse from tras on single sex exemptions

My money is on them closing the changing rooms all together

Fuck Primark. Fucking idiots.

I wonder whether survival instincts are as much a part of the apologising as the female socialisation is. We know that a male is more likely to have a fight/ flight reaction and a female a freeze/ fawn. I wonder if it's a form of appeasement when we have a fright.

I'm sure sometimes it is a survival mechanism, you hear of female kidnapping victims being able to survive their ordeal by being meek and "humanising" themselves to their capturer, then again many times that approach doesn't work.

Women are definitely socialized to be friendly and accommodating. One of the few benefits of ageing is the decline in my giving a shit. In my twenties I wouldn't say "boo to a goose" and I'd be too polite to random males who try to interact with me, now i I couldn't care less. Only a few months ago I was screamed at on a London street by a male stranger who had stopped in front of me facing me and all I did was step around him quickly and keep going - for that he screamed bitch and cunt at me. That would really have shaken me up in my twenties, in my forties... couldn't give a toss.