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Just sick of it all.

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CousinGregg · 24/09/2022 17:42

Just been to take my young child to a West end show.
The main character was played by a boy (trans girl). In the book and film its a girl.

The villan was played by a man (male) dressed up as a woman. In the book and the film its a woman.

Should I explain to my GIRL FEMALE child that women are a joke, a myth, drag, a feeling and they can forget getting jobs in theatre. I am fucking SICK of it. Its everywhere now.

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MushroomQueen · 01/10/2022 18:03

Korbond · 24/09/2022 19:35

OP, was this the production of Matilda in the WE? Are you sure that Matilda was played by a transgirl? That information isn't in the cast biographies on the show's website (and the programmes only contain the same info as the website biogs), and there hasn't been anything in the show's promotional material about it. I have some connections with the professional children's musical theatre world and know one of the current WE Matildas personally, and haven't heard anything about a trans-identified child cast as Matilda.

Miss Trunchbull has always been played by a male actor in the musical theatre show, and imo that casting works better than having a female play the role. I don't think the casting of Emma Thompson works that well in what I've seen of the film, brilliant actress though she is.

In the current tour of the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, 2 of the 4 children sharing the role of Charlie are girls. Not sure whether that was deliberate "sex-blind" casting (colour-blind casting is pretty well established in theatre), or whether they just couldn't find enough boys who could fulfil the role.

I love the film Miss Trunchball - Matilda was my favourite childhood book. I agree men often play the character and it's worked fine in theatre versions I've seen. Matilda as a transgirl no! No need at all

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 01/10/2022 15:55

I suspect we conclude this was a child with an unusually deep voice, and we don’t know their sex. As the age of an actor playing Matilda is surely before a boy’s voice would have broken?

Xiaoxiong · 01/10/2022 11:40

Just to revive this thread, my two DSs went to see this last night with a family member and this morning when we were listening to the original cast soundtrack I said "was it as good as this last night" and DS2 said yes, although it sounded different because Matilda was played by a boy. I asked if DS1 thought so too and if so, how they both knew and they shrugged and said "she just was a boy - you could hear in the singing" and then concluded that maybe they "couldn't find a girl who was good enough" 🤦🏼‍♀️

WanOvaryKenobi · 27/09/2022 12:07

Oh do bugger off, seppo.

LaughingPriest · 26/09/2022 15:38

I actually agree with Marg <spots flying pig> (partially - KF don't just 'doxx transpeople' you know) - bit off to say someone is trans if you don't know?

MargaritaPie · 25/09/2022 23:08

I'm not sure how you know the Matilda actress (or one of them at least since there are 4) is trans, I couldn't find anything on Google.

However if the actress really is trans do you think, given they are a child, it's a good idea to make a fuss about it publicly in a negative light when we have websites like kiwifarms who doxx transpeople and their parents?

You could potentially be putting this child at risk of harm.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 25/09/2022 19:49

Well since the OP hasn’t returned we shall never know why she thought this!

Discovereads · 25/09/2022 18:32

If it were true, I wouldn’t care. I quite enjoyed an all female Romeo and Juliet where yes, even Romeo was played by a woman.

LettuceJones · 25/09/2022 18:27

Well I was assuming that too but it's a weird auto correct and you would think it would be common knowledge if the lead role in Matilda was being played by a boy.

SapphosRock · 25/09/2022 18:19

Matt-Tilda sounds like one of those dodgy adult pantomimes but I assume OP didn't take her DD to that.

RoyalCorgi · 25/09/2022 18:17

the funny thing is that the main character isnt played by a trans girl but yall hate trans people so much you can always tell, right?

Little boys and girls aren't very different in terms of build, as I'm sure you know. A biologically male trans child can pass relatively easy as a girl. That isn't the case with biologically male adults.

Don't know why I'm bothering to explain this, but I thought I'd humour the poster by pretending he/she/they is posting in good faith.

LettuceJones · 25/09/2022 17:59

Are you saying it was Matilda?

Or something called Matt-Tilda?

TheClogLady · 25/09/2022 17:56

‘Y’all’?

I thought cultural appropriation was one of all ‘y’all’s’ big no-nos? 🙄

Jessica747 · 25/09/2022 15:25

CousinGregg · 24/09/2022 17:42

Just been to take my young child to a West end show.
The main character was played by a boy (trans girl). In the book and film its a girl.

The villan was played by a man (male) dressed up as a woman. In the book and the film its a woman.

Should I explain to my GIRL FEMALE child that women are a joke, a myth, drag, a feeling and they can forget getting jobs in theatre. I am fucking SICK of it. Its everywhere now.

the funny thing is that the main character isnt played by a trans girl but yall hate trans people so much you can always tell, right?

Jessica747 · 25/09/2022 15:24

The funny thing is the main character isnt played by a trans girl but I love how much you hate trans people so much you can always tell, right?

ArticSaviour · 25/09/2022 13:30

This is the current cast according to London Theatre...

Just sick of it all.
NorthFaceofthelaundrypile · 25/09/2022 13:29

I saw the same cast of Matilda in the summer. Matilda’s voice really threw me, and I ended up looking up the person playing this part, but I couldn’t find any evidence they weren’t a biological girl.
DS commented that Matilda is supposed to be a 5yo girl, but sounded like a grown man.

Stichintimesavesstapling · 25/09/2022 13:26

There is quite a strict height limit on Matilda auditions. My average height dd wouldn't qualify (she checked the minute we got home!) Obviously I know shorter boys exist but it would be hard I think to find a boy that fit the bill at the right age to belt out the songs.

TeenDivided · 25/09/2022 13:21

There are other female characters traditionally played by men. e.g. Tracey Turnblad's mother in Hairspray.

Similarly principal boys are played by girls in pantomime.

SapphosRock · 25/09/2022 13:18

I'm pretty sure it's not correct, I went recently and read about all the girls playing Matilda, no mention of any of them being trans.

LaughingPriest · 25/09/2022 13:12

I thought it was inherently transphobic to find male bodies in any way intimidating or imposing or threatening just because they are male? So it's interesting that this casting of Miss Trunchbull has this assumption as its basis.

Korbond · 25/09/2022 12:57

It's not particularly difficult to cast a tall, solidly built, imposing woman. Come on theatre directors, do it.

Actually, it is quite difficult for musical theatre. MT needs triple threat performers (trained to a high level in acting, dancing, singing). Females who train professionally as dancers tend not to have bigger physiques; there is still a lot of prejudice in the dance world about "larger" dancers, and entry to MT training courses is fiercely competitive as it is.

Korbond · 25/09/2022 12:51

SapphosRock · 25/09/2022 12:44

Matilda is played by a trans girl?

I had no idea. I obviously did about Ms Trunchbull.

Weird to have them cast in the same show, one presumably as a joke, drag act and the other not.

It would be helpful if @CousinGregg could come back to the thread and tell us how they came by this information, because I really don't think this is correct.

Theatre is very woke. If the RSC had cast a transgirl in Matilda, they would be celebrating that publicly. There was certainly plenty of positive publicity when (entirely reasonably) they introduced colour-blind casting and the first black girl played Matilda.

SapphosRock · 25/09/2022 12:44

Matilda is played by a trans girl?

I had no idea. I obviously did about Ms Trunchbull.

Weird to have them cast in the same show, one presumably as a joke, drag act and the other not.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 25/09/2022 12:35

www.salon.com/2013/10/27/the_dangerous_transphobia_of_roald_dahls_matilda/ apparently

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