DfE settles in Cornwall case

au contraire

from the article:

they were told that one of their sons would be demonstrating “transphobic behaviour” if he showed an “inability to believe a transgender person is actually a real female or male”.

their 6 year old son didn't just have to be OK with a boy in a dress, he had to behave as if he literally believed that boy was a girl

there's nothing OK about that. teaching / learning requires trust. if school are going to try to force children to believe things they know aren't true, how can they possibly have a successful learning relationship with the school?

I havent read the full thread but based on the article in the IOW news, the problem seems to have been initially caused by the insistence of a boy/girl uniform at the school, the little boy wanted to (or his parents wanted him to) wear the 'girl' uniform

I cant help but think that this might have been avoided if the Rowes had simply told their son, its just a dress and he wants to wear it

Otherwise its counterproductive to say that there is a 'girls' way of dressing/playing/behaviour compared to a 'boys' way.

yeah

this individual seriously needs to get a (different) hobby

I can't imagine working themselves up to a self righteous fury in the middle of the night is making them happy.

women who won't pretend to make you happy don't hate you, they just know what reality is.

reality Robin. I highly recommend it for long term contentment.

I'd like it sooner than that - although I suppose the draft for consultation always gives the "direction of travel" and schools usually start adjusting practice when a draft comes out.
My worry is that these powerful organisations and individuals have been given free reign to trash long standing, evidenced principles about safeguarding, child psychology and wellbeing, political neutrality, safety in sport, the legal rights of girls to privacy and single sex spaces for so long, that rolling this back will be a battle. Especially as it involves children who have been gaslit by self interested adults into believing it's possible (and desirable) for them to change sex from their early years. Having to disavow them of these toxic beliefs will be hard.

Nearly 4 am and posting petty messages on MN, that's not healthy.

It’s the bundle of documents used in court for a case. I’m sure our resident mesplainer can describe it better. After all pronoun is an expert

I'm really pleased with this outcome. DfE need to get their act together and issue the new draft guidance sharpish. I want it consulted on, amended if necessary, and published ready for next September.

What is a bundle?

This

Robin, people here don't have a problem with you because you think you're a woman, it's because you are consistently showing your distaste for anything that is for the benefit of females and not males.

Hahaha! Look forward to Robbo correcting all the other bullshit that gets regularly plopped here, seeing as you’re so keen on THE TROOF.

Anyway, I’ve talked enough about you on a thread that ain’t about you.

I expect the poster who commented about bundle protocols was a legal professional who usually just lurks but couldn't resist correcting a mistake about an issue within her sphere of expertise.

I am not interested in Bundlegate but am very interested that DfE has settled this case, presumably following legal advice that they would probably lose it. Encouraging

RobinMoiraWhite you think the phrase "oh here we go again" is disrespectful? Do you think it would be wrong to use the phrase in relation to, say, a vulnerable witness explaining her trauma in a court case?

@RobinMoiraWhite DARVO.
You love to play the victim don’t you? When the facts are you come on here to scold and bully women who will not bow down to your ideology. The women on this board are not scared of you and will stand up to you.
Tough. The sooner this nonsense is out if schools the better.

And you still did not answer my questions. That gives me my answer in itself. You are shining more light on this ideology and the damage it is causing to women and children. The more light the better in my opinion.

A perfect example of the gratuitous unpleasantness and comment arising from gender identity prejudice referenced in my previous post.

The suggestion, presumably, is that during the trial I created a sock Mumsnet account to make this comment.

Well, I didn’t. Mumsnet HQ can, presumably, confirm if required that I have only ever had one account and have only ever posted in my own name. Like what I have to say or not, I always say it as me.

You might care to examine your reasons for such prejudicial speculation. I trust they make you uncomfortable.

Its also pretty disrespectful to the Mumsnetter, unknown to me, whoever they were, who posted the (accurate) comment and the prejudice bandwagon rolled on over.

Quite

Which is why, despite the gratuitous unpleasantness above, including posts which breach Mumsnet’s generous guidelines, expect me, when I am able to post, to correct misinformation.

it is hard to view this gratuitous unpleasantness as other than prejudice based on gender identity.

It isn't fair, but I know who I think of when I think of bungled bundles. Oh well, truth still lacing it's boots, perhaps.

i just got a sudden flashback of the single issue poster who showed up during the AB court case for the sole purpose of telling us barristers don’t do bundles.

That's the one @TheBiologyStupid. More revisions due soon - oh well, something to do I suppose. Might leave RMW less time to lecture women here, what shall we do?

I wonder what trans guidance is left in schools or counties. Hopefully seeing every single one out the door will be a huge success.

I'm so tired of people coming onto Mumsnet to mansplain things they appear to have little or no understanding of.

You mean this book, LK?

If the objective of the book was to increase understanding of the law in this area, it must be judged an abject failure. Even a reader with little prior knowledge will be struck by the regularity with which the authors simply give up on the task of analysis [...] If a pair of guides on a difficult mountain path were as consistently flummoxed as the authors of this book, their clients would be saying their prayers. In truth, there is little of either guidance or practical utility in White and Newbegin’s “practical guide”.

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/02/a-practical-guide/

Another one in the confused Ross from Friends camp here….

Ploppy friend 😂