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Teachers face ‘significant challenges’ to avoid outing trans pupils to parents

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Igneococcus · 22/09/2022 22:13

Article in the Times Scotland section. I know it's not a parody but it reads in part like one:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c01ac90-3a90-11ed-84dd-c16384999350?shareToken=60057f659e554f87d8b7fb78db7b88a0

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PriOn1 · 23/09/2022 07:10

Even though it was written by someone fully on board, they still don’t manage to make it sound like a situation which will provide the pupils with appropriate boundaries and stability. I presume children with difficult backgrounds would be more prone to being drawn in. Those are children who genuinely need that stability at school that they are failing to get at home. This idea that you can pick and choose an identity and change it on a whim, and everyone else must go along with it is literally the opposite of providing stability based upon demonstrable reality. They are doing so much damage it’s unreal.

pepperminttaste · 23/09/2022 06:46

Jesus. Thankfully not the school my girls will go to. I'd literally move house if it was*. Genuinely worried for my eldest who is very gnc but very, very happy in her own skin.

*I'm in Scotland so my local school may well be as bad.

Hoardasurass · 23/09/2022 06:45

So it seems that Queen Anne is using the Scottish government's trans guidelines which were proven in court to be illegal.
Someone should probably tell them

Cillery · 23/09/2022 06:38

I wonder why they don’t make a video saying the Earth is flat as it would be just a scientific all that dinosaurs are still around in Edinburgh. These plonkers believe anything themselves and want to miseducate our children. Of course it is fashionable for kids these days to believe this sort of garbage as of course they will believe anything as they have always done. I don’t know whether it is possible to sue the school for propagating unscientific misinformation.

Igneococcus · 23/09/2022 06:31

I've been wondering about "Dr" T as well. I've seen people giving themselves Dr titles before during, like, homeopathy or creationism discussions, to indicate how much they think they know about the science involved, maybe Dr T is trying to portrait himself as an expert in genderism.

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TheLittleRedDragon · 23/09/2022 02:20

So it's ok for the teachers to push this 'let's pretend' shit behind the parents backs? It's a total abuse of their position.

Is this a funnel for the the pharmaceutical industry?

I am continually horrified by the awfulness of this crap. These children are being pushed towards the ideology that will inevitably lead a percentage of them to transition & have their own healthy body parts amputated.
Does any of this shit happen at private schools? (No idea, just thought of this, but just wondered if it turns up in those places too).

I hope it is rooted out sooner, but I can see this falling to bits eventually when the number of detransitioners / kids that grow up with mental health issues etc because of this, that sue schools, hospitals, doctors, surgeons, head teachers etc for allowing this harm to come to them makes it impossible to continue. (You know what with the end result for a lot of them being unhappiness, pain and a lifelong dependance on medicine).

I wonder if deep down some of the 'pushers' of this ideology know how harmful it is for the kids, but it's just how they get their jollies. (And they like to think of themselves as the nice right on progressive types).

I reckon people who are friends with head teachers should start having a word with them about the litigation that will be upcoming over the next 10years or so. Since looking after the kids wellbeing isn't top of their priority list, perhaps their own fiscal future might be the push they need to stop this shit.

Sorry to be a bit ranty but ffs!

LovinglifeAF · 23/09/2022 01:07

Oh my god

DrJump · 23/09/2022 00:35

Is Dr T actually a Doctor? It seams crazy to allow a teacher to use that sort of a title if they aren’t. For clarity I am not a Doctor It is play on the trope you can only be a DR if you have “delivered” a baby.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/09/2022 23:37

PickAChew · 22/09/2022 23:23

"pronouns they/he/it,"

Parody? Oh my word...

By coincidence, I've just been reading an old thread in which Germaine Greer was criticised for using "it" to refer to someone. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4430375-germaine-greer-in-1989-sex-change-is-a-lie

Florabritannica · 22/09/2022 23:32

‘Perhaps having future plans for your child, based on their sex, is a bad idea.
Perhaps they could be whatever they want to be anyway - except the opposite sex because that's impossible.’

This is so true. After half a century of feminism setting everyone free from personality constraints governed by sex, we suddenly have an ever-multiplying series of ever-tinier boxes in which to imprison people.

CircleofWillis · 22/09/2022 23:30

What is a 'transgender male'? I would have thought that was a transwoman or transgirl but the article seems to use this expression to refer to a transboy.

Namechangeforthis12 · 22/09/2022 23:30

Thanks @rogdmum

PickAChew · 22/09/2022 23:23

"pronouns they/he/it,"

Parody? Oh my word...

rogdmum · 22/09/2022 23:17

Namechange that doesn’t ring a bell but I’ll look tomorrow.

Mxyzptlk · 22/09/2022 23:15

“You’re gaining so much though, gaining a confident child who is suddenly becoming themselves and start to blossom, but I had to let go of the future I thought he was going to have. Once I got my head around it I just threw myself into it, which was empowering for us and he saw that we loved him so much and it was OK for him to be whatever he wanted to be."

Perhaps having future plans for your child, based on their sex, is a bad idea.
Perhaps they could be whatever they want to be anyway - except the opposite sex because that's impossible.

These people think they're so progressive and innovative when really their thinking is so limited.

Namechangeforthis12 · 22/09/2022 23:14

@rogdmum do you by any chance have any about woodmill?

rogdmum · 22/09/2022 23:11

I did a FOI to Fife Council ages ago about gender ideology in schools (did a whole bunch of FOIs to councils and got heaps back). I’m pretty sure they sent me stuff about this school. I’ll need to go dig it out…

Namechangeforthis12 · 22/09/2022 23:09

Nc for this obviously
I live in Dunfermline and have friends with dc at Queen Anne and please believe me when I say that this article doesn't show quite how bad the school is.
They actively push gender identity theory on to the kids and punish with detentions any child who refuses to tow the party line

Mxyzptlk · 22/09/2022 23:08

How can it be okay for a whole separate identity to be nurtured in school, while parents are unaware and the child lives a double life?

How can teachers think this is good for children?
Are they really all complete jobsworths with no ability for actual thought ?

rogdmum · 22/09/2022 23:04

Lerouge · 22/09/2022 22:37

I would do anything to avoid sending my DC to that school. The seriousness adults accord young people who want to be known as 'it', the possibility of social contagion, the gender stereotyping - it's unbelievable.

Personally I would run a mile away from any school that is part of the LGBTYS award scheme. <lesson learned the hard way>

Igneococcus · 22/09/2022 23:02

Mark McLaughlin is usually quite uncritical when he writes about this topic @TheBiologyStupid but this article is extrem even for him.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/09/2022 23:01

I felt that article was the equivalent of the ones in local papers where they report something like 'Pixie-Boo Smith (pictured) has been convicted of indecent exposure. Her penis ...' blah blah blah, all in accordance with IPSO regulations, but the picture clearly chosen with care to set the comments section alight.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/09/2022 22:50

A rather astonishingly uncritical piece for The Times - is it captured north of the border?!

FemaleAndLearning · 22/09/2022 22:49

To be honest, I was really sad at points because obviously I gave birth to a little girl, all of my memories of Kai were as a girl and I had all of these photos. You do have to come to terms with it because it is is a loss.

That is just awful to read so sad. Those who gave grieved for their dead children must find this very insulting (I do).

Ness said Kai received a lot of support from guidance teachers as he “has a lot of anxiety about things because he has been through a lot
Really changing pronouns is trauma now? I agree thinking you are born in the wrong body and adults facilitating that is trauma, but being non binary is trauma?

Kai is helping other pupils feel comfortable with their gender identity, and introduced S1 pupils aged 11 and 12 to the pride club at a recent health and wellbeing fair. He said: “A lot of the S1 pupils found us too much to handle.”
16 year olds indoctrinating 11 years olds. These are children grooming children. I wonder if the younger kids just thought what the actual fuck school have I come to!

They (pupils) urged teachers to avoid shouting at pupils who expressed transphobic views and work to educate them instead.

So teachers were shouting at kids who don't go along with this belief? I would love to hear from some other parents whose kids are not into all this.

Oh my god this is just awful nearly as bad as all those non binary and trans names. At our school we have two Jays and an Ash, not very original to change your name, from the one you were gifted, to something so common among this group.

I can't bear to be educated by the videos. What's so special about Dr T? Our last SEND support we called Mrs (letter of her first name). That school is spending serious time and mental energy in managing this social contagion. I feel sorry for all the children who just want to get on and get an education without having to pamper to all this speshull kids.

MrsRedFly · 22/09/2022 22:41

WTF - my DC are at the school and it is that mad!

I struggle to know who they are talking about as I can't mention previous names!