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PayPal shuts Free Speech Union account

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ResisterRex · 20/09/2022 21:50

Big Tech overreach in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/20/paypal-shuts-accounts-free-speech-union/

"PayPal has shut down the account of the Free Speech Union, an organisation which defends gender-critical academics and opposes Drag queen story hours in schoolss_.
The US payments company shut down the accounts of the Free Speech Union, its founder Toby Young, and his opinion and news website the Daily Sceptic with no clear explanation last week, The Telegraph can reveal.
Mr Young said he suspected the action was driven by political motivess_ and was a “sinister form of cancel culture”.
...

The Free Speech Union, founded by Mr Young two years ago, has recently called on the Government to ensure children aren't politically indoctrinated at school, citing the teaching of “radical gender theory” through Drag queen story hours in schools.
The organisation has helped to defend people who claim they have lost work for expressing opinions, for example Gillian Philip, the author who said her contract was terminated because she stood up for JK Rowling on Twitter amid a row over transgender rightss_. It has also challenged universities that have “no-platformed” gender-critical academics.
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Mr Young said: “Withdrawing financial services from dissidents and non-conformists and those who dare to defend them is the new frontline in the ongoing war against free speech.
“The Free Speech Union will be lobbying the Government to put new laws in to prevent companies like PayPal demonetising organisations and individuals because their employees disapprove of their views.”"

FSU tweet:

twitter.com/speechunion/status/1572323227040358401?s=46&t=Q_pYlcOXOni-UQ61agbaRw

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ScreamingMeMe · 22/09/2022 10:22

They also did this to biologist Colin Wright

CortexInferior · 22/09/2022 05:37

Where do you think the whole effing
house of cards, is going to unravel?

I the court of law.
One way or the other.

By the time, their DEFINITIONS are there,
I'll be MORE than ready.
And happy to de-construct.
J. Derrida mode.

CortexInferior · 22/09/2022 04:15

Jesus fucking christ it's so simple:

Every one of us simultaneously reports on ourselves,
what we're really thinking and feeling.
We insist, for fuck sake - every single entry generates a
non-crime "hate report" BECAUSE we care.
We hate the "hate speech" so much, we are compelled
to report it in any shape or form.
That is why WE ARE forced to shop ourselves.
By doing that, we are forcing the other side
to TELL US, what's what.
In detail. With definitions, all the rest.

And there is the beauty - once they forced to
do THAT, we have the voice.
OUR voice.
Nobody is going to shut you up during the court case.
That's how we WIN.

CortexInferior · 22/09/2022 01:56

And that is exactly what followed.
I cannot even tell him "piss off" dear.
I'm done with you & paying for your bills.
I am fucking still paying his bills.
He lectures me on how "hateful" and "harmful"
my philosophical approach to gender as a definition
even is. It's violence.
At best, in his mind, it's incitement to violence.
That's where we are.
My own son. No fucking clue.
And all I can say, is I am sorry.
I am truly SORRY.
I HAVE fucking raised AN IDIOT, moron,
fucking misogynist twat with higher education!
As he has TRANS friends - well, the game's over.
They're "hurting & suffering" unbelievable anguish
which in ANY FUCKING CIVIL/CRIMINAL court
in the land is at best "the hearsay" evidence.
Non-admissable, dear.

I'm 52 now. (menstruator? who TF knows)
My granny (born in 1919) spent 3 years of her
life in Buchenwald. She was a seamstress.
That was a concentration camp - got out alive.
My son asked a question:

"So, why didn't she have the tattoo (number) removed?
It's so simple nowadays. She should be fine by now".

CortexInferior · 22/09/2022 00:57

Needmoresleep · 21/09/2022 23:28

CortexInferior. One of those times I wish MN had a like button.

Tell the prince that older women rock. If only we lived in an age where elders were respected for their wisdom. I try to imagine what will happen to the more self righteous of this woke generation. Sudden epiphanies, or a slow decline into cynicism?

Thank you. So much.
We're both not even British.
Well, not by the UK passport standard.
(He graduated from Nottingham Uni- Politics & International Relations, still so ignorant & dumb like a tonne of nails - me single mother since 1999)
I know.
Since then, however, I did rectify my mistakes
and misjudgement. Indulging him to compensate for the fact I kicked his father out years ago.
No complaints there.
I do feel alone in my own home.
For which I've been paying for donkey's years.
I am a bitchy boss, control clean freak, etc.
Once you've been branded a transphobe,
a fascist (by your own son - on NO basis whatsoever)
you truly are very, very alone.

This is verbatim what I said to him a few days ago
via SMS:
(a pastiche of his ideology)

"I have NO INDEPENDENT critical view of Islam, as one of my friends is a Muslim.
I have also NO INDEPENDENT THOUGHT about GENDER DOGMA, as one of my friends is TRAN. (details to follow).
And that means, I have FUCKING WASTED ALL YEARS
OF ANY FUCKING CRITICAL STUDIES/UNIVERSITY/ and thinking as such to achieve PRECISELY NOTHING IN THE COURSE OF NOT OFFENDING ANYONE I CAN THINK OF POSSIBLY OFFENDING.

And that is the ultimate goal of Social Justice Now.
So realistic, I have no other choice but to stop working
altogether, to commit myself to the cause.
Yours sincerely.
Your son.

(I couldn't have any more children.
Got my retina unglued, etc.
Half blind, in a way.
Fannenshthiehl ceaserian, done.)

IcakethereforeIam · 21/09/2022 23:42

Forgive me Constable for I have sinned.

CortexInferior · 21/09/2022 23:40

My point is this:

We're lovely and nicely gathered here and we do
also have very civilized, knowledgable and informed conversations - that is what and how we do things
on MN. And its human=female potential is going to waste. By default.

All of the girls/ladies - knowledge, education, current information, wisdom, experience, wit, sense of humour.
I am astonished, by the amount of intelligence and knowledge, and expertise here - And NO ONE LISTENS.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

We are nobody. (well, I'm, anyway. No Twitter, no FB, nothing).
So many others "deleted/cancelled" also are.

No one listens, no one cares.
We can talk BETWEEN EACH OTHER TO EACH OTHER till the fucking pigs wearing sequins start singing "Ave Maria". No one really gives a fuck.
(We will so clog up the system with the shit, no
turning back, mate.)

Until that is, we collectively report ourselves for
"transphobic" non-crime HATE incidents of our own
THINKING as a pre-emptive move to advance the social
justice movement - once and for all.
We are the far-righteous ones.
The second, we collectively do that...
WELL, THE FUCKING MELTDOWN IS GOING TO BE...
err, like, SPECTACULAR.

Sorry, just a dream.
Simpleton, me...

Needmoresleep · 21/09/2022 23:28

CortexInferior. One of those times I wish MN had a like button.

Tell the prince that older women rock. If only we lived in an age where elders were respected for their wisdom. I try to imagine what will happen to the more self righteous of this woke generation. Sudden epiphanies, or a slow decline into cynicism?

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 22:47
Grin

A pre-non-crime amnesty? That could be interesting.

CortexInferior · 21/09/2022 22:07

DysonSpheres · 21/09/2022 19:31

This is cultural colonialism. No doubt. We are supposed to adopt Liberal American cultural values or be accused of being right wing, fascist, Nazi, or even Christian. Yet over the past week or so some of the same liberal Americans have been happy to lecture us on our/the Queen's colonial heritage. (Not that I am saying this was good, but like everything, more nuanced that some would have us believe.

It is extraordinary the sheer arrogance of people who do not and will never live here presuming to 'educate us' on what our history means, what it is, and who we are. The irony of them bleating about cultural appropriation every five minutes despite imposing their world view on everyone else never ceases to amaze me.

Just about a few months ago I thought to me poor
self:
I clearly read & think things I shouldn't be thinking
(never mind fucking reading, that's sedition FFS)
and as it happens I still agree with me poor self on the things I was/am thinking.

And that in turn means - inevitably - I'm beyond repair.
As my own 25yrs old son (only effing prince in this household) said: "I should "investigate thoroughly" my
philosophical baggage and subsequent "evident errors
in reasoning" (used to study the subject, wrote a thesis on religious symbolism & sanctum definition, etc. in Europe) I have nothing to contribute to the debate, but
"contempt & derision". Evil me, in short.

And then I had an idea:
how about I report myself now to the police,
being utterly pre-emptive and trying to avoid another
non-crime hate incident - before it even happens?
Eh?
I'll fucking phone them up, tell everybody what I really DO think and feel - and see what happens, by which I mean the more I'm in prison the less I fucking care so try and shut me up now, you morons.
Imagine the savings we as taxpayers could make
in the process. Eh?
Mind you, in the subsequent civil/criminal trial nobody
will shut me up if their lives depended on it.

There's your civil obedience/disobedience grassroots movement.
And who could fault us for that?
For being "kind AND considerate"?
They won't fucking know what hit them.

2Rebecca · 21/09/2022 21:30

Paypal account deleted.

ResisterRex · 21/09/2022 20:53

More groups

twitter.com/speechunion/status/1572667196773437443?s=46&t=fMcukZ9Rlet8Q0ja8Od8BQ

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ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 20:49

moneycheck.com/paypal-alternatives/

ResisterRex · 21/09/2022 20:41

FSU tweet saying it's not just them. It's sinister, neither the FSU nor Us For Them are proscribed groups.

twitter.com/speechunion/status/1572663108069376000?s=46&t=fMcukZ9Rlet8Q0ja8Od8BQ

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/09/21/paypal-shuts-account-parents-group-campaigned-keep-schools-open/

"PayPal shuts account of parents’ group that campaigned to keep schools open during pandemic
UsForThem said it has been unable to access thousands of pounds in donations ‘due to the nature of our activities’"

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DysonSpheres · 21/09/2022 19:31

This is cultural colonialism. No doubt. We are supposed to adopt Liberal American cultural values or be accused of being right wing, fascist, Nazi, or even Christian. Yet over the past week or so some of the same liberal Americans have been happy to lecture us on our/the Queen's colonial heritage. (Not that I am saying this was good, but like everything, more nuanced that some would have us believe.

It is extraordinary the sheer arrogance of people who do not and will never live here presuming to 'educate us' on what our history means, what it is, and who we are. The irony of them bleating about cultural appropriation every five minutes despite imposing their world view on everyone else never ceases to amaze me.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 18:51

Coyoacan · 21/09/2022 03:11

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Paypal. I was using it to get payments from abroad and it wanted to take over 30% of a 4,000 euro payment between commission and its terrible exchange rate. I'm surprised anyone is still using it

Can anyone suggest alternatives?

ResisterRex · 21/09/2022 17:48

Some of the info posted here has been really interesting - and frightening! Feels like we've given over our democracy and processes to faceless tech bros.

I hope Toby Y is as well placed as anyone else to fight this. Also not exactly a fan but that's not the point as we all know.

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GingerCake2018 · 21/09/2022 17:33

There was a recent Triggernometry episode on Paypal cancelling accounts in order to police free speech, worth listening too. All very worrying.

AlisonDonut · 21/09/2022 17:30

I've been meaning to close my PayPal account for ages. Just tried and they are looking into it. Apparently.

I'll get back onto it tomorrow.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/09/2022 17:29

Toby Young says they came out with some nonsense that they could claim "damages" from their money directly, if they were found to have breached the rules of the platform.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/09/2022 17:28

Yes agree, I meant that they would impound the money and hand it to the authorities in a criminal case.

Coyoacan · 21/09/2022 17:26

Surely they can't take people's money without taking them to civil court, without an actual crime having been committed?

But even if a crime has been committed, why would a private bank
be allowed to benefit? Surely the money would have to be returned to the original owners

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/09/2022 17:19

Surely they can't take people's money without taking them to civil court, without an actual crime having been committed?

They need to be better regulated.

Coyoacan · 21/09/2022 16:48

Paypal refused to release over a million dollars worth of funds

That is an interesting business model, isn't it? It is perfectly legal for a bank to keep your money if it doesn't like your ideas?