Can someone explain why transgend is OK but transracial is not?

I'm not a psychiatrist, but don't all the major psychiatric and medical say that transition is the best treatment in some cases?
Not the same as saying it's a silver bullet of course.

Except that gender identity has been detached from any medical condition.

Therefore, it cannot be both ways. It should not be a medically treated 'condition' if it cannot be a treated as a medical condition. If it is not a medical condition, then they are demanding extreme surgery that should be only ever considered 'cosmetic' and not as a treatment for anything other than they want to look different.

I watched this hoping for an answer...

It is not actually a medical condition but a psychological condition. It only really affects a very very small number of people. Unfortunately we have now the light going around that to transition is a silver bullit and of course it is complete nonsense

Isn't it because gender dysphoria is recognised as a medical condition but racial dysphoria isn't?

You are of course absolutely right

It doesn’t make sense because it’s nonsensical.

There is absolutely no logic in it whatsoever. A black woman and a white woman have far more in common than a woman and a man biologically. Yet if a white woman says they are a black woman it is racist. But if a man says he’s a woman that is apparently okay. The whole thing has no logic whatsoever. But then again who asks for logic from these people? All they say is don’t be stupid! Their argument is merely abuse

Because BLM and the fight for their rights has been successful in that regard.

Women are much more widely ignored. Women are even highly likely to be siding with our oppressors.

@Moonatics someone already tried the identifying as a different age:
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/08/dutch-man-69-starts-legal-fight-to-identify-as-20-years-younger#:~:text=A%2069%2Dyear%2Dold%20Dutch,against%20on%20a%20dating%20app.

I suspect transage will have no legs because of the huge financial ramifications.

That is fascinating NecessaryScene I didn't expect to see any answer to the question except "no we can't".

Not sure about the "pseudo-academic waffle", I mean obviously that's the degenerate form but (and OK it's not my field at all, though I did once write an education-type paper) I can at least imagine a genuine academic form of each theory.

Don't humanities papers state their "theoretical position" at the start? (We techies don't bother, we just take objectivism for granted even when we borrow a few techniques from ethnography.)

I read the Wikipedia story about Hypatia and it struck me that Tuvel's "transracialism" paper shouldn't really be a political argument at all. Clearly these two positions or theories are logically inconsistent with each other, or else they lead to logically inconsistent or contradictory results, and surely from a philosophical point of view that is worth saying in itself?

Thanks OP, I’ve often wondered this, especially since most of us actually mixed race, transracial actually makes far more sense than transgender - but….reasons, I guess 🙄

And if someone is trans age and wants to go to school with your child?
If they claim to be older and want their pension already?
And I know someone will say that's not a thing, but it is.

Because men say so, OP. And women have to shut up and put up. (Not the new women, as Ricky Gervais has explained, not the ones with beards and cocks, they don't have to. Just the boring old cunty ones.)

Because it's worse to be deemed racist than to be deemed misogynist.

Men pretending to be women are fine - even heroic.

Pretending to be from an ethnic minority is cultural appropriation, which can also be called racism.

If you're looking for answers and not getting them, it's because NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE. It's all bullshit and doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

There is no answer to this.

If the TRA argument is that what people feel inside, in their heads trumps actual biology, I don't understand why this would only apply to sex.

Why not race? Or disability for that matter? Or age?

There is no logical reason why you'd apply it to one of these categories but not the others.

I think the incompatible theoretical roots of the two are probably explained here (I like James Lindsay but he is prone to going off on one so is best when talking to an Everyman type al la Joe Rogan or an academic with teaching experience such as Peter Boghossian. This is a solo episode of Lindsay’s podcast so might get a bit dense):

newdiscourses.com/2021/06/why-you-can-be-transgender-but-not-transracial/

It’s a power structure thing. So no one gets upset if a black person wants to present at being white. But does if white presents at black major issue.

Actually fits quite similarly with the T issue as it’s usually the real life application/competing rights of MTF vs. Women that’s mostly the problem and FTM doesn’t really bother anyone.

So from the way society views these I do think they are viewed quite similarly; even if people pretend they aren’t.

When I've had this discussion with family members it seems to come down to a belief that:
a) women as a class are not really being oppressed now (at least in the western world)- the 'we have had 3 female prime ministers so the problem must be fixed' argument. So identifying as a woman is not identifying in to an oppressed culture; and
b) Even if a) is not true, transwomen are MORE oppressed so still not the same.

No idea, and I've used this when debating about 'identity', how people stop belief at identifying as a different ethnicity but not as a different sex.

OP, with regards to your niece, I imagine that's because there are no loud lobby groups pushing trans racialism! Maybe she could explain her position further?

I think the difference is buried deep in Queer Theory v Critical Race Theory (which sound like they are more closely related than they are, but they are more like second cousins than siblings).

I might’ve heard James Lindsay explain the lore but I forget where…

@pattihews The assault on Fred Sargeant was a disgrace and I'm glad it has received coverage in the press (mainly US)

That's something that many of us have asked time and time again, OP. No one has ever been able to answer it.

Fred Sergeant, who was at the Stonewall riots in 1969, was attacked by TRAs while carrying a sign saying no to black-face and woman-face — ie, he was saying that you can't simply become a woman or black by identifying as a woman or black. He was knocked to the ground for carrying that sign.