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Incels are now the spokesmen for trans people?

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QuitePissedOff · 19/09/2022 01:03

I wonder, how do trans people feel, now that male incels have appointed themselves the spokesmen for trans people against women and girls?

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TheClogLady · 19/09/2022 15:35

Those black rubber gloves look a big sweaty.

Helleofabore · 19/09/2022 14:59

ReunitedThorns · 19/09/2022 14:56

There is a history of Incels transitioning. Perhaps it is their struggle and self-hate with AGP that first leads them to MRA and then eventually TRA.

That would be the transmaxxers, wouldn’t it?

we had one come and tell us all about themselves once in a thread. Very enlightening Hmm

ReunitedThorns · 19/09/2022 14:56

There is a history of Incels transitioning. Perhaps it is their struggle and self-hate with AGP that first leads them to MRA and then eventually TRA.

Bosky · 19/09/2022 14:12

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 19/09/2022 08:05

So they were all real transpeople, in Brighton today, shouting at women, masked, screaming, throwing smoke bombs,?

what's a 'real' trans person?

look, 'old school' trans women are massively sexist. they believe that clothes, and voice and mannerisms = woman. they basically think we're some exotic species

I'm not saying they'd be out throwing smoke bombs or anything, and I have no objection to them going about their business, but don't fool yourself that they want to abolish the gender based oppression of women.

what would they impersonate if that went away?

I wonder what those "old school transsexuals" from back in the day who were members of the "Transex Liberation Group" would be doing if they were part of the current scene?

It's not hard to imagine that White Supremacist, ex-military, Hitler's posthumous confidante, Della Aleksander, would be part of the fascist ("antifa" 🙄) black bloc, energetically and expertly lobbing smoke bombs at women in Brighton.

Rachel Bowen (shy working class northern transsexual - having a female birth certificate is a "status symbol"), might leave off looking after the kids and polishing the brasses long enough to take the train down, handbag stuffed with balaclava and black rubber gloves?

Laura Pralet, once a dapper pipe-smoking civil servant but now, like Della and Rachel, taking delight in donning a pinny (Laura's so beloved by the posh hubby baggied soon after "the op") might be frantically calling pals in the College of Policing, screeching that local bobbies should be tasering KJK?

Jan Ford, Barbie of the bunch, perhaps decked in pink and baby blue, might be surrounded by a protective ring of female "trans allies" howling "TWAW" while Jan, trans-flag covid-masked, snaps the faces of the SFW crowd in close-up?

BBC Open Door programme 45 years ago on transsexuals - a real jaw dropper
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3327193-BBC-Open-Door-programme-45-years-ago-on-transsexuals-a-real-jaw-dropper

Open Door - Transex Liberation Group, BBC Two, Monday 4 June 1973
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06c83f4

For more "old school transsexuals" to time-travel to current year, see:
twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1480382480595230721

Archived: web.archive.org/web/20220908150431/twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1480382480595230721

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 19/09/2022 09:35

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/09/2022 01:47

Who was that absolute fool who wrote his mum's phone number on his arm in a sharpie so that if he got arrested someone would phone her? And was photographed, so, naturally, some bloke off twitter sent his mum the photos and rang her to tell her that he was wearing a balaclava to tell omen to shut up.

I don't want to blame the mothers, but, good grief. How embarrassing if your son turns out to be that stupid. You'd have to hide all the sharpies in the house.

Oh thats funny

reminds me of my pfb, i told him at his first party with alcohol that he should keep an eye on how much he was drinking….he kept track by writing it on his arm.

he is a lovely boy and not an utter twat so wouldn’t be a black pampers but yes, if he was I’d be absolutely mortified

PotatoHammock · 19/09/2022 09:16

Once you start with "not a real trans woman", the whole house of cards comes tumbling down, because then you have to decide what IS a "real" trans woman!

Believe me, I've done all kinds of mental gymnastics in order to be kind and fair to everyone, and I was repeatedly coming up against contradictions and dilemmas. But for the past three years I've been entirely GC- sex is an immutable biological fact, "gender identity" is nothing more than personality. Personality varies wildly from person to person, and is not a feasible or safe criterion on which to base any laws. No mental gymnastics required, I'm standing on firm bedrock now, not constantly shifting sand.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 19/09/2022 08:05

So they were all real transpeople, in Brighton today, shouting at women, masked, screaming, throwing smoke bombs,?

what's a 'real' trans person?

look, 'old school' trans women are massively sexist. they believe that clothes, and voice and mannerisms = woman. they basically think we're some exotic species

I'm not saying they'd be out throwing smoke bombs or anything, and I have no objection to them going about their business, but don't fool yourself that they want to abolish the gender based oppression of women.

what would they impersonate if that went away?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/09/2022 01:47

Who was that absolute fool who wrote his mum's phone number on his arm in a sharpie so that if he got arrested someone would phone her? And was photographed, so, naturally, some bloke off twitter sent his mum the photos and rang her to tell her that he was wearing a balaclava to tell omen to shut up.

I don't want to blame the mothers, but, good grief. How embarrassing if your son turns out to be that stupid. You'd have to hide all the sharpies in the house.

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DontTrustThisPoster · 19/09/2022 01:41

I just love that they’ve been dubbed black pampers 🤣🤣🤣 absolutely mortifying for the wee lads I’m sure lol

QuitePissedOff · 19/09/2022 01:33

So they were all real transpeople, in Brighton today, shouting at women, masked, screaming, throwing smoke bombs,?

I find that hard to believe.

I find it more credible that most of the violent masked crowd were MRAs and incels. Using trans rights as a screen for their misogyny.

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MangyInseam · 19/09/2022 01:25

People can say whatever they want about a group, I don't think it implies anyone in that group approves of them or what they say.

QuitePissedOff · 19/09/2022 01:21

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

It just looks like MRAs and incels running the whole "trans rights" campaign. Just asking trans people (the ones looking for a quiet life) are you OK on being represented as trans people by far-right incels and male rights activists?

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