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Men in women's changing rooms

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Moggyd · 18/09/2022 12:41

Just been into Marks and Spencer's changing rooms and there was a man sat outside the cubicle waiting for his partner. Right next to the big mirror where you come out and look. I didn't feel comfortable at all and wouldn't come out of the cubicle to show my friend the dress. I spoke to the member of staff and she said it was a recent change and men can go into the what was ladies changing rooms now because a few men have kicked off recently when refused entry. I feel pretty angry about this. Interestingly there was a sticker inside my friend's changing room as attached. Not put there by Marks. What do others think?

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NightfeedsandNetflix · 19/09/2022 09:41

My husband wouldn't even do that as he wouldn't want to look a weirdo?! Sat in the middle of a bunch of female changing cubicles like a pest.

What's wrong with the old way of coming out dressed and showing your husband/ partner outside while he sits bored at the entrance of the changing room? Did anyone ever complain about that?

Shops can't keep up with what is expected of them through fear of a backlash or they are trying to be the trend setters of oh look how forward thinking we are and inclusive, (meanwhile let's fuck everyone else off).

KittenKong · 19/09/2022 09:31

Yuk those reviews! At least they don’t have photos - unlike amazon (some of those are yikes/semi porn).

EdgeOfACoin · 19/09/2022 06:26

When I was pregnant recently, I went shopping in M&S for maternity leggings.

It turned out that M&S had stopped selling all maternity clothes in store and I could only buy them online (with an extra charge for shipping, of course).

So, it seems to me that M&S care about including men in women's spaces and they care about serving certain sorts of women, but they are not interested in providing an in-store service for pregnant women.

Now I have a child and I don't bother shopping in M&S for either of us. That's okay, though, because I don't suppose a working mother with a young child is in any way the target demographic for M&S.

Starlitexpress · 19/09/2022 06:21

I was in Marks the other day and exactly the same with a man plonked right in the middle waiting for his partner. Had obviously waited until no staff around as when an assistant spotted him, she went straight over and asked him to leave, which he did.

Seems some have had the memo and others not.

bythere · 19/09/2022 05:33

@PaperTrails "When I came out of the changing room his two kids were there. Both boys. Getting a lesson from both their parents that it's ok for a man just to walk into a women's changing room."

That is pretty much what the boys were being taught. Same as if a man were to take his young DD into the female change room or a mum her DS into the men's, totally inappropriate. Adults are entitled to privacy from opposite sex adults in these places.

BirdinaHedge · 19/09/2022 05:17

I hoe you didn’t buy anything there @Moggyd and I hope you spoke to a manager to tell them that.

It’s all about men who think they’re women wanting validation by admittance to women’s spaces.

QuitePissedOff · 19/09/2022 00:49

Men/handmaidens seeking to shame women into obliterating women's well-founded boundaries.

Nasty bastards, in other words. Women have boundaries for a reason. Mostly involving men and male sexual perversions and violence. But M&S fail to see ...

Ofcourseshecan · 19/09/2022 00:41

LemonLymanDotCom · 18/09/2022 17:23

@ImherewithBoudica

1.”I'll agree you're very very cool if that makes you happy”
I’m not sure who you’re agreeing with here, the only person to mention cool is yourself. Also I think we might be working on different definitions of what ‘cool’ means, you use it like it’s a dirty word so I’m somewhat confused as to what you mean by it.

2.”as opposed to very very lucky to never have had life experiences to have destroyed your sense of safety and security in mixed sex spaces.)”
Ummm, well I have had life experiences that include being sexually assaulted in public spaces (as mixed as you can get!) but that doesn’t make me afraid to stand in a room with a man in a dress that I had changed into when I wasn’t aware he was there.

fair enough you don’t like getting changed in the same room as a man behind a curtain, but that wasn’t what the OP did, she wasn’t aware of the man when she got changed was she? Because if she was, she wouldn’t have done so.

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make in all these comments. A woman was so disturbed by finding a man in the women’s changing room that she no longer felt comfortable coming out and showing her friend what she was trying on. Is that hard to understand? If so, why? It seems pretty understandable to me.

mscampbell · 19/09/2022 00:28

It's a shame I used to enjoy the occasional clothing shopping trip but if I'm not safe/private in woman's only changing rooms (or completely lockable cubicles that open directly onto the shop floor) then I just don't feel welcome.
I now just shop online - mostly secondhand because it all looks the same online and I don't spend as much because it's so boring.

Shame because it will be sad when the high street goes, but I guess we'll still have the coffee and interior shop and nail bars.

NippyWoowoo · 18/09/2022 20:30

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 19:19

Oh wait you said woman 😂 misread.

Anyway those are 🤢🤢🤢

NippyWoowoo · 18/09/2022 20:30

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 19:19

His meat and two veg?

Moggyd · 18/09/2022 19:55

@OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide not sure about the held still bit either!

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OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 19:19

Remember, these are all moderated.

OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 19:19

What would a woman need to be “held still”?

www.marksandspencer.com/5-pack-cotton-rich-lace-trim-full-briefs/p/clp60437456?color=BLACK

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OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 19:17

www.marksandspencer.com/tivoli-mesh-thong/p/clp60545704?color=NAVY

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Ramblingnamechanger · 18/09/2022 18:36

About two or three years ago many of us wrote to M and S about their policies about this. The responses were unanimously dismissive of womens views and many of us vowed that we would not use the stores again. Nothing has changed our mind.

Cece92 · 18/09/2022 18:24

You know I've never actually even clicked until this post that most shops changing rooms are for everyone lol! It clearly hadn't even phased me that I am changing next door to a male. I recently went to m&s for bra measurements and was trying them on with the assistant my DD was sat outside the room waiting and there was a guy waiting on his wife also being fitted and I never even blinked and eye lid that I was stood there in my bra. Weird I've never ever noticed this xxx

InflagranteDelicto · 18/09/2022 18:19

Look at each item on their website. I only hope, for their sake, crossdressingpete and friends spend enough to keep M&S going because I won't be spending money there

Moggyd · 18/09/2022 18:09

Where are these reviews?

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OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 18:07

If you’ve a cast iron stomach just checkout the reviews men are giving of the womens’ knickers. 🤮

Moggyd · 18/09/2022 18:07

@Notthereagain so it would seem.

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OverTheHillAndDownTotherSide · 18/09/2022 18:06

I’ve been boycotting M+S over this for about 3 years now.

Notthereagain · 18/09/2022 18:04

So M&S believe that if men get angry women should submit? That’s their corporate position?

Moggyd · 18/09/2022 18:01

@LemonLymanDotCom I was not "scared" at all. Just uncomfortable.

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