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At last! All the reasons 'c*s' women are privileged

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ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:38

takesupspace.wordpress.com/cis-privilege-checklist/

I had been wondering what this actually involved. NB:

'Don’t quibble with privilege lists. If you read them from a standpoint of wanting to deny your privilege, you’ll come out having successfully denied it but learning nothing. Read sympathetically and think about it.'

So there!

(it is perhaps unsurprisingly all predicated on the reader being from the US.)

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MorningtonCroissant · 20/09/2022 11:34

Definitely a list of male privilege...

The misgendering one - I was misgendered a while back. I wasn't angry at all. Just very surprised. And then I considered what I'd been wearing, posture, etc and wondered if this might make me a little safer in dark streets. I can never understand the choice to put yourself in danger by attempting to look female when you're not.

Dingledangletheteabag · 19/09/2022 19:52

It was obviously by someone who is promoting the trans cause

ImherewithBoudica · 19/09/2022 19:41

MorningPlatypus · 19/09/2022 17:36

When I first joined Mumsnet over a decade ago I came into FWR wanting on about c!s privilege.

I got my arse kicked.

Many of us started there with the best of intentions.

It takes time to get your head around just how very misled we've all been.

MagpiePi · 19/09/2022 18:37

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, "

Do you think someone once said to this person 'Gosh, it looks just like a willy, only a lot smaller"?

MorningPlatypus · 19/09/2022 17:36

When I first joined Mumsnet over a decade ago I came into FWR wanting on about c!s privilege.

I got my arse kicked.

TheBiologyStupid · 18/09/2022 21:45

Yes, cake, I was shouting the same thing when I read that. A useful piece otherwise though.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2022 18:28

This type of c!s women privilege:

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/18/why-gender-is-at-the-heart-of-the-matter-for-cardiac-illness

Ffs The Guardian, not gender, SEX!!!

Whatsthepointofmosquitos · 18/09/2022 12:27

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dripping in irony. Obviously have no idea what it is like to be a woman.

The bit that made me laugh hardest thiugh was exepcting easy access to healthcare and medical treatment. Clearly this was not written by anyone in the UK!

”I feel safe” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

TheBiologyStupid · 18/09/2022 10:53

You were, YetAnotherSpartacus, you absolutely were.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/09/2022 09:01

Do pardon me. I thought I was reading a list describing male privilege.

picklemewalnuts · 18/09/2022 07:35

inkjet · 16/09/2022 16:24

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do

Is this not saying they expect their lovers to resemble the person’s genitals?

I think it's saying that whatever my genitals look like, you should have expected that and be ok with it.

So I present as a woman and call myself a woman and want to sleep with lesbians a cause I too am a lesbian. I have a lovely female cock. You'll express no surprise and you'll love it.

Or feel my wrath.

Buffypaws · 18/09/2022 07:25

Just one more insufferable prick

NitroNine · 18/09/2022 06:09

I would be genuinely astonished that this individual felt their monstrous all-too-visible dustcart of nonsense bore any relation to Peggy McIntosh’s White Privilege: Unpacking The Invisible Knapsack had that list not demonstrated a superabundance of author!ego 😵‍💫

Yet again, we see a clamour for privileges, not rights; no notion of the idea that rights are balanced by responsibilities, simply brattish “want! gimme! mine!”; and certainly no concept at all that they’ve almost entirely written a list about [white] male privilege well, they do say to write what you know…

WandaWomblesaurus · 18/09/2022 00:15

"I expect be referred to respectfully without stating my preferences, or even being asked, no matter where I go, how I dress, or whom I’m talking to. If this does not happen, whatever level of anger I express will be acceptable, and I will expect the offense to be immediately corrected."

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

Ofcourseshecan · 17/09/2022 23:18

FernPotts · 16/09/2022 16:46

Also laughing at the idea that I feel I can go to any country with my current "gender expression". I'd be arrested in several and harassed in others.

Or beaten to death by the 'morality police'. I am so angry that a young woman can suffer this for not wearing a piece of cloth over her hair. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-62930425

Yes. I don't give a damn what mindless little dick wrote that ridiculous list. The name I want to remember is Mahsa Amini. Murdered because of her sex. Like so many other women around the world. Where was their 'cis privilege'?

Mahsa Amini. Murdered because of her sex, not her gender. Murdered because she was a women, not because of anything she 'identified' as. Murdered because she was female.

TheBiologyStupid · 17/09/2022 00:58

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/09/2022 16:41

I’ve heard of dogs starting to look like their owners but this is next level 😵‍💫

😂

Manteiga · 17/09/2022 00:24

@Cattenberg, these quotes are what a privileged "cis" person is supposed to be able to say. So for a transgender person it'd be "My potential lovers do not expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have not accepted that before coming to bed with me". That does sound like it's talking about surprising someone.

JellySaurus · 16/09/2022 19:11

Manteiga · 16/09/2022 13:30

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have accepted that before coming to bed with me."

Creepy

He is saying that this is something that everybody else takes for granted, but trans people don't or can't, or it's an assumption made about trans people and their genitals, and that he wants what we take for granted because if we take it for granted then it's a right so he wants that right as well.

Or something.

Anyway, it's more gubbins because of the pressure on women to shave their genitals and the disgust often expressed at women who don't. Besides, there is such variety in normal genitals that anybody might get a surprise when the pants come off. Hmmm, he may have a point, though, that a lesbian should be able to expect to see female genitals under her lover's pants.

unsync · 16/09/2022 18:28

This guy's a comedian right? Although to be honest he lost me at all the medical stuff.

nepeta · 16/09/2022 17:47

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:25

“I expect be referred to respectfully without stating my preferences, or even being asked, no matter where I go, how I dress, or whom I’m talking to. If this does not happen, whatever level of anger I express will be acceptable”

Think this is beyond bratty.

Creepy as fuck.

Abusive, look what you made me do vibes.

And this person well knows “cis” people aren’t allowed to express limitless anger.

This sounds like narcissistic rage. But in any case, the implicit social contract in most societies does not allow individuals to decide for themselves what level of an angry response to someone is deemed appropriate. That is a rule which is ideally supposed to be the same for every adult though it's applied differently for men and women in quite a few places.

Still, nowhere is it up to the individual alone to decide.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:25

“I expect be referred to respectfully without stating my preferences, or even being asked, no matter where I go, how I dress, or whom I’m talking to. If this does not happen, whatever level of anger I express will be acceptable”

Think this is beyond bratty.

Creepy as fuck.

Abusive, look what you made me do vibes.

And this person well knows “cis” people aren’t allowed to express limitless anger.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:20

“I was trained into whatever gender was appropriate for me”

omfg. These people are like my grandma, who liked to see me in dresses. Nothing about the idea of gender is appropriate.

FreudayNight · 16/09/2022 17:19

“I expect…” times how many.

women are socialized not to have expectations.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:17

“I expect access to, and fair treatment within, sex segregated facilities“ - not any more I don’t, no. 😡

Plasmodesmata · 16/09/2022 17:12

Menstruation is a privilege I'd happily do without.