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La Leche League's "Erasing of Mothers" Saga Continues

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notidentifying22 · 15/09/2022 00:05

One More Thing is the latest and reportedly last post from mothersformothers.com (MfM) explaining how La Leche League's draconian search for the identity of the writers on the MfM website has become too high of a risk to continue publishing. There is a new site discussing the issues that MfM is encouraging people to check out. Lucy Leader Substack. All of the MfM articles will find a home on the archives of this substack.

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Interloper7 · 19/09/2022 15:05

@notidentifying22 - you say I think it is selfish to come into an organization with the stated goal of making it a political organization by attempting to get it to bend to one's own personal beliefs. You also talk about 'gender warriors' taking over. It can make it sound like LLLI Board members were not involved with LLL before they were elected. When in actual fact, and you probably know this having studied the applications of numerous Board members, they have all been LLL Leaders for a long time, and have deep concern for the breadth of LLLI's needs and challenges.

Interloper7 · 19/09/2022 14:39

<one name on the ballot and very few Leaders vote.>
If only one candidate stands there is only one name on the ballot - nothing stopping more people standing, right? And nothing stopping Leaders voting.

Each DCE (DCE = leadership body for Leaders in specific regions) runs its own elections. Negative campaigning is not permitted and there are good reasons for that. However many DCEs host online meetings with candidates for Leaders to attend, or invite questions they will put to candidates. And all candidates will have references and a candidate statement shared with Leaders in that DCE.

Not really pseudo-democratic at all. However, if you have concerns speak to your administrators, or write the LLLI Board - cos they're probably not checking mumsnet threads for your opinions.

Here's the policy governing elections to the LLLI Board if you're interested -
www.llli.org/about/policies-standing-rules/psr-board-elections/

PomegranateOfPersephone · 19/09/2022 14:19

As I hear it there is frequently only one name on the ballot and very few Leaders vote. Leaders standing for roles are not allowed to speak about why other Leaders should vote for them so any who do vote can only go off knowing the candidates personally or knowing someone who knows them. It is pseudo democratic I suppose.

Interloper7 · 19/09/2022 13:47

The democratically elected globally representative yet Stalinist LLLI Board?
Interesting.

The LLL Leaders running the website in question actively sought to damage La Leche League - it is entirely reasonable for LLLI to try to stop that and uphold their ability to support Leaders, mothers, parents and babies.

WalrusSubmarine · 16/09/2022 22:46

I can see why you would cuckoo an organisation if you needed its resources but to do so essentially to just to control language is bizarre. When they get bored of this they’ll just leave presumably and LLL just falls over.

notidentifying22 · 16/09/2022 20:07

The loss is immeasurable. The takeover so drastic. The current BOD members who are gender warriors stated in their board election material that they were joining to change LLL to include everyone. However, we all know only women can breastfeed; only women can give birth.

LLL has always stood for a mother's right to breastfeed at home, in the workplace, and in public. When I see the virtue signaling that the Board is doing I lose faith in us as human beings with so many putting their woke status ahead of the safety of women and babies. Trying to score points in the academic world for forcing language on a volunteer breastfeeding organization has to be one of the worst things a person could commit to. (from a comment on one Board member's election papers hoping she would be recognized as turning the ship around by her academic colleagues).

I think it is selfish to come into an organization with the stated goal of making it a political organization by attempting to get it to bend to one's own personal beliefs. LLL has been amazing, eschewing the mixing of causes—from cloth v. disposable diapers, home v. hospital birth, not taking a stand on abortion and now for the BOD to promote the integration of men who really have no business attempting to breastfeed, I stand astounded. All people can be treated with respect, but by definition birth and breastfeeding are both sexed activities. And that is why the gender warriors have attacked LLL. A trophy win. And a loss so complete for women and babies.

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notidentifying22 · 16/09/2022 19:40

Agreed. It's a real War Against Women and a movement for men's right to our bodies and spaces.

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notidentifying22 · 16/09/2022 19:39

Yes, it is unprecedented for La Leche League, which has always welcomed and encouraged Leader input.

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nepeta · 16/09/2022 17:58

Treaclemine · 15/09/2022 20:30

I'm not a mother so haven't breastfed. According to my mother, she could have done with the sort of help the League provides with me. My two sisters both breast fed, one two at a time, and I suspect she could have done with their help. So I am appalled to read about this. And what is the Stalinist board threatening the samizdat mothers of MfM with that they have to go into hiding on line?IT is beyond belief.

The resemblance to the McCarthy era and the Chinese cultural revolution era are so very obvious. What's different from this wave of authoritarianism and cancellations is that it centers on only one sex as the wrongthinkers, and, perhaps, that the people doing the punishing are attacking the vast majority. Though the fact that the vast majority consists of female people is, of course, the real reason why all this is happening.

Treaclemine · 15/09/2022 20:30

I'm not a mother so haven't breastfed. According to my mother, she could have done with the sort of help the League provides with me. My two sisters both breast fed, one two at a time, and I suspect she could have done with their help. So I am appalled to read about this. And what is the Stalinist board threatening the samizdat mothers of MfM with that they have to go into hiding on line?IT is beyond belief.

maranella · 15/09/2022 07:58

So many organisations in the US have been captured in this way, but since men don't have breasts and don't lactate I'm particularly horrified that LLLI has. They were such a help and support to me when I had my DS in the US, but to be GC in America is far harder than it is here and many more, otherwise cool, fun, interesting women are fully TWAW. It's very sad.

VegetablesAreMyFriends · 15/09/2022 07:52

So sad that all our things are being sought out and destroyed from within.

Igmum · 15/09/2022 07:35

Thanks OP, so sad that such a women-focused institution has become so toxic

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