Helen Joyce on Jordan Peterson's podcast

Started listening to this earlier today. My first thought was, wow, he's come a long way since he interviewed Abigail Shrier. He was terrified of that interview, and gave her an absolute grilling. She was brilliant, of course.

Yes, would be amazing if Helen got on Joe Rogan. Maybe her and Posie Parker together!

Back in the day I reflexively didnt like JP. More recently I've come to find him fascinating, especially about anxiety, narcissism, gender issues. Even bought a ticket to his show on Friday.

Giving it a whirl now, at!

I’m generally on the fence re:JP (although tbf it’s mostly his tone that I’m not keen on and critiquing people on how they say things rather than what they are actually saying is a pointless cul de sac and one I am trying to unlearn) but it’s undeniable that he has a massive audience and a lot of contacts.

I’d love to see Helen on Joe Rogan - I think he’d really enjoy her humour and she might be able to give him that last push he needs to leave the ‘true trans’ narrative behind once and for all. Plus, massive audience that is probably more varied that JPs.

Not a huge fan of JP on video, but it was a good interview - good for Helen Joyce newbies, or for people who've binged almost everything she's done like me.

They focused a lot on the sociodynamics of the movement, and what its success tells us about the state of society and ourselves, rather than the more "technical" aspects she usually focusses on.

Here's JP's chapter headings, to give you an idea:

Intro
Writing "Trans"
Women and Biological Reality
Age Solidarity Among Women
Narcisissm, a Key Contributor
Fetishes & the Unbalanced Psyche
Breaking the Fantasy
Freud & the Oedipal Complex
Context Defines Your Identity
Transhumanist "Meat Lego"
The Depth of the Battle, the Death of God
Lying to Children, Ellen Page
The Social Pillory