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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 11:15

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2022 12:30

I wonder what she means by "straight"?

Whatever she wants it to mean at any given time, I suggest.

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 12:29

BB: suggestion that young girls would be finding transition easier than living as gender nc girls in present society is laughable.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 12:29

PastaForLife · 13/09/2022 12:28

Sexuality is not our main focus says Dr Bell. Quite, so let LGBA crack in with their work

Yes

Mermaids = trans
LGBA = sexuality

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/09/2022 12:29

Mermaids has just tweeted an ad for their CPD accredited training Grin

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 12:28

BB: "Only 9% of transitioned people are straight."

I wonder what she means by "straight"?

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PastaForLife · 13/09/2022 12:28

Sexuality is not our main focus says Dr Bell. Quite, so let LGBA crack in with their work

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 12:28

BB: Numbers presenting to gids, numbers are tiny. Percentages are meaningless. Not clear why increase in girls.
KM: Do you know largest proportion presenting to gids are same sex attracted?
BB: Yes. Mermaids is a children's organisation dealing with gender. Sexuality not our main focus.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/09/2022 12:28

Sexuality is NOT our main focus.

Boom!

ickky · 13/09/2022 12:27

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2022 12:23

As Mermaids have specifically recommended puberty blockers and advocated for private doctors who prescribe them to children online, the idea that they failed to read / understand the Cass review is unbelievable - and a dereliction of their responsibilities!

They are still recommending Gender GP even though the doctor has been stuck off.

Unbelievable.

But she's not a medical expert!

Ameanstreakamilewide · 13/09/2022 12:27

Is having a trans identified child a pre-requisite for working at Mermaids? It sure seems like it.

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 12:26

Not sure Bell has not read Cass - don't think she was asked this question?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/09/2022 12:25

Ooh, she has read it!

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 12:25

PastaForLife · 13/09/2022 12:23

This woman reminds me of those ghastly women on the PTA committee I’d swerve in the playground.

Yes!

chilling19 · 13/09/2022 12:25

So Mermaids have been referring young people to a service that they are unfamiliar with? Unfamiliar with the clinical process?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2022 12:23

As Mermaids have specifically recommended puberty blockers and advocated for private doctors who prescribe them to children online, the idea that they failed to read / understand the Cass review is unbelievable - and a dereliction of their responsibilities!

PastaForLife · 13/09/2022 12:23

This woman reminds me of those ghastly women on the PTA committee I’d swerve in the playground.

TheClogLady · 13/09/2022 12:23

Crikey, THIS is who Mermaids sent in to bat?

🙈

NecessaryScene · 13/09/2022 12:23

Why have none of these people read this report?

Cos it's boring medical stuff. They're not interested in boring medical stuff. They want to talk to you about your gender soul.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/09/2022 12:22

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 12:17

KM: The Cass Review. This is your field.
BB: Not a medical doctor. The Cass Review is not Mermaids field. We don't do/give advice on medical stuff.
KM: You support children with gen id issues. Some of those will go to Gids and start on medical pathway. Mermaids will have informed yourselves what that medical pathway is and how to support children and families.
BB: Yes, but understand that we are not medical people.

"[Mermaids] Provides families and young people with the tools they need to negotiate education and health services."

mermaidsuk.org.uk/about-us/

And yet they haven't read the Cass report Hmm

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2022 12:21

Why have none of these people read this report? They should have read it cover to cover, not a "summary" produced by people who may have an agenda.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 13/09/2022 12:20

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 12:17

KM: The Cass Review. This is your field.
BB: Not a medical doctor. The Cass Review is not Mermaids field. We don't do/give advice on medical stuff.
KM: You support children with gen id issues. Some of those will go to Gids and start on medical pathway. Mermaids will have informed yourselves what that medical pathway is and how to support children and families.
BB: Yes, but understand that we are not medical people.

She's actually trying to wriggle out of having an obligation to have read the report on the service that children & families they advocate for, use.

<slams head onto desk>

Un-fucking-believable

NecessaryScene · 13/09/2022 12:17

BB - just to be absolutely clear, I am not a medical doctor.
KM - obviously

Ouch.

Mmmnotsure · 13/09/2022 12:17

KM: The Cass Review. This is your field.
BB: Not a medical doctor. The Cass Review is not Mermaids field. We don't do/give advice on medical stuff.
KM: You support children with gen id issues. Some of those will go to Gids and start on medical pathway. Mermaids will have informed yourselves what that medical pathway is and how to support children and families.
BB: Yes, but understand that we are not medical people.

ickky · 13/09/2022 12:17

god how have ppl with a DSD not burnt down everything by now!!

They just don't have the numbers to do it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/09/2022 12:17

nauticant · 13/09/2022 12:10

www.csap.cam.ac.uk/network/belinda-bell/

It looks like her neck problem has improved.

snort

😂😂😂

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