Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

It’s clear that BJ understands why she believes what she does

in the same way as it was clear that Paul Roberts had absolutely no idea at all why he believes much of what he does

I'm intrigued as to how MG is going to make any of the mermaid position seem reasonable

Wow BJ seems composed and clear while the MM counsel is coming across as bumbling and unprepared or am I just bias?

How can he prepare? There is no reasonable line of questioning afaict

Wow BJ seems composed and clear while the MM counsel is coming across as bumbling and unprepared or am I just bias?

😂

Thank you. I've never heard of genderbread before and yes, it would seem it is full on 🤪 and rather unpleasantly designed to appeal to young children.

I like BJ it feels like an adult has entered the room!

Me either.

Although it's establishing the hostility towards a belief that sex is a fixed, unchanging fact and people are entitled to hold to this regardless of how another would prefer them to change their view to match that of a gender identity. (Leaving aside that this is in fact reality and not a belief system.)

I lost who said this, but I’ve been giggling about it. I’m not a lesbian, but I feel the same.

“It's complicated. (I'm not an expert.) I'm also a lesbian, so should be approached only with qualified medical professionals and possibly a security cordon.”

I think he is trying to he BJ to say the unsayable. Even though we all know that it is homophobic.

HOW have they managed to stay ignorant of this?!

They are not ignorant of it, they know full well the bottom line is they don't care it's the ideological goal being reached that matters not the sacrificial lambs on the way to achieving it.

I don’t understand MG’s line of questioning here.

My head hurts, it really does. Up is down, and down is up. Real time Alice and Through the Looking Glass shite.

Thanks to everyone who is posting.

I'm still trying to process 90% of the clientele being (again in old money and actual terminology) heterosexual.

Are they seriously saying as one of the lead advisory services for parents and kids, they are unaware of the side effects and problems that have occurred with PBs and that they have been found NOT wholly reversible?

HOW have they managed to stay ignorant of this?!

A reminder of this monstrosity....

www.genderbread.org/resource/genderbread-person-v4-0-poster

I would like to see some clarity from BB on this. The first witness was very vague about homosexuality and heterosexuality and tried claiming it was all very complicated, definitions were not easy, there were no hard and fast categories etc. But ultimately he argued that the definition of homosexuality as same-sex attracted was wrong, and that homosexuality should be defined as same-gender attracted. So what does this 9% claim mean? Presumably it means that a female -to-male transgender person who is attracted to women is, in Mermaids' view, straight. Whereas everyone else would regard that person as lesbian. If that is what BB means, then she has completely undermined her own argument.

KM: Next tweets where you say accuse MM of promoting GRS, lobbies for lowering of age for PBs - do you advocate for that?
BB: it can seem surprising for 10/11 yo but that's when its needed, before puberty. Im not a clinician , wouldn't say we lobby hard for it

Yes 2falls, this it totally contradictory and to reduce the side effects to just some headaches is un-fucking-believable. Wasn't there evidence that Mermaids were coaching children and their parents in what to say when they got a GIDs appointment?

Are you for real

C'mon, Mr Gibbon - 'I'm sorry, Ms Jackson' was right there!

Thanks, have done so.

If 9% of the T kids at Mermaids are straight - doesn't this actually mean that those 9% would in old money have termed themselves homosexual?