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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 11:15

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

(Header format follows the gold standard established by @ickky)

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littlbrowndog · 13/09/2022 23:03

Terfs

Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2
IamSarah · 13/09/2022 22:40

Just caught up on this thread, thank you all for the commentary it was very entertaining. The case is insane!

KM is a force to be reckoned with, I am so pleased to have her on my legal team.

WalrusSubmarine · 13/09/2022 21:59

ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 18:25

And Twitter reply to Mermaids reveals where some people's thinking is on the matter:

'When will the idea that biological sex is binary & immutable be challenged? Any court that accepts this shows how out of touch with science & reality it is. Why don't you get experts to talk to this complex issue. A belief should only be protected if it has truth to it. Surely?'

'These are not biological facts, and haven't been for decades. Anyone who thinks otherwise is showing their ignorance and should get some up-to-date reading on the topic.'

It does reveal the reason that beliefs are protected, I think, and that we don't describe anything as 'fact'. Because most people here will find that tweet absurd; presumably the writer also finds the idea that sex is immutable and dichotomous absurd. His 'facts' are not our 'facts'.

These quotes are terrifying. They believe this stuff because someone is obviously teaching them this stuff. Because no one is correcting them.

Once again - how has it got this far?

BewaretheIckabog · 13/09/2022 21:59

I rarely comment here anymore. Perhaps it is an echo chamber of GC insight but that’s because the gender quackery has no argument. All they have had is close down all debate and cancel.

I know what’s happening is important. It’s important to women and the definition of sexuality and rights but also to freedoms away from institutional capture and freedom of speech, lobbying and how our entire democracy works.

However, a sense of humour is something I associate with GC liberals rather than captured TRAs and my favourite comment is not new.

Saying LGBA is anti trans is the same as saying The Dog’s Trust is anti cat. For some reason this really resonates with me and brings a little smile!

Olderbadger1 · 13/09/2022 21:38

Thank you LK1972 - 'repent motherfucker' is a classic.

picklemewalnuts · 13/09/2022 21:28

Oh such jewels of bat shittery. How do they do it?

LK1972 · 13/09/2022 20:37

'Repent motherfucker':
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/qcjtuh/womanshakesstambourinewhileeyelling_repent/

PP v Harrop:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQXi0MTX6k

if anyone missed these Smile

picklemewalnuts · 13/09/2022 20:35

Thanks nauticant!

That gasp is worth a gasp of its own. One could get trapped in a reaction gasp cycle.

TheClogLady · 13/09/2022 20:29

It was criticised in the Wall Street Journal too (opinion page, but the opinion of ‘medical people’).

www.wsj.com/articles/the-american-academy-of-pediatrics-dubious-transgender-science-jack-turban-research-social-contagion-gender-dysphoria-puberty-blockers-uk-11660732791

Response letter from AAP:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-transition-medical-affirming-therapy-hormone-surgery-aap-children-kids-11661207649

response from original opinion writers:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-pediatric-aap-kids-children-care-surgery-affirm-treatment-11660942086

And then some more letters and back and forth:

www.wsj.com/articles/trans-gender-transition-medical-surgery-hormones-affirm-therapy-conversion-academy-pediatrics-aap-11661289032

related (earlier) article by Abigail Shrier: www.wsj.com/articles/pediatric-association-gender-dysphoria-children-transgender-cancel-culture-11628540553

there may be more letters too, WSJ has (finally!) been hosting a debate! Albeit low key in the letters page.

(you can get past any subscription only blocks by searching the listed urls on archive.ph )

LK1972 · 13/09/2022 20:28

Thanks all for the comments and the updates, sadly can't watch, but TT and this thread give an excellent flavour Flowers

LK1972 · 13/09/2022 20:26

Also @ImNotAnExpert you seem to be an expert in sulking, which is definitely more of an expert in anything than the first witless witness!

Rightsraptor · 13/09/2022 20:24

Hmm, is BB only interested in that article purely because it's rubbish?

I do struggle in this upside down world I'm obliged to inhabit. And reading about these proceedings has me even more puzzled. I wonder what delights tomorrow will bring.

LK1972 · 13/09/2022 20:22

ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 20:19

Commonly known as a Buttergasp.

Not as good without a sound though, such a classic clip that, like PP vs Harrop or 'repent motherfucker' Grin

Farmageddon · 13/09/2022 20:21

Thanks for these threads OP, because of work (stupid work!) I won't get a chance to follow this live, but can check in for updates during the day. I really miss the camaraderie and humour of the Allison Bailey threads, so will enjoy this week!

Also, if anyone wants to donate to LGBA to defend the nonsense, they haven't yet reached their target.

ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 20:19

Commonly known as a Buttergasp.

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picklemewalnuts · 13/09/2022 20:11

That Benji gasp! It needs its own meme. Or a gif.

A gasping gif. Anyone know how to do it?

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 20:10

Ahh, that fits, it was published in August like BB said and MG dismissed criticism of it by characterising the criticism as something like coming from "a blog".

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AgnestaVipers · 13/09/2022 20:03

Rightsraptor · 13/09/2022 17:52

As @nauticant said earlier today, it seems BB has referred to Paediatrics journal. But this is surely a medical journal and BB isn't, as she made certain we knew, a medical person. So why's she interested in it if it's outside her remit?

The Pediatrics article that has been completely dismissed as nonsense?
jessesingal.substack.com/p/the-new-study-on-rapid-onset-gender

If that is the best bit of research she's heard of, then she is stuffed...

TheClogLady · 13/09/2022 20:03

A belief should only be protected if it has truth to it. Surely?'

And not content with attempting to redefine the words ‘woman’ ‘man’ ‘male’ ‘female’ ‘child’ and ‘law’…

just like that, the trans activists went for ‘belief’, seemingly completely unaware that their assertion, that human males can become human females simply by changing the name on the gas bill is the belief with no truth to it.

How do the transactivists feel about Catholicism, I wonder?
if wine can be blood and bread can be the body of Christ then surely a penis can be a vagina? Just takes a few magic words, amirite?

The Pope says no, obvs.

Perhaps Jolly-On can sue the Vatican?

Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2
AgnestaVipers · 13/09/2022 19:54

ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 16:51

For posterity.

JFC.

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 19:25

"Wow, I really didn't like mermaids checking my ip especially for that length of time. Chilling."

What do you mean by this?

I suspect it's this:

community.cloudflare.com/t/what-is-the-checking-if-the-site-connection-is-secure/415718/3

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turbonerd · 13/09/2022 19:23

«A lot of this stuff we pick up because we’re submerged in their dogwhistles.»

can someone please explain what it means to be submerged in dogwhistles?

it was on one of the Twitter links posted upthread.

wishing mermaids a lot of submersion with this courtcase! Not necessarily by dogwhistles though 😁

ClimbingCancelled · 13/09/2022 19:21

"Wow, I really didn't like mermaids checking my ip especially for that length of time. Chilling."

What do you mean by this?

ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 19:12

TheClogLady · 13/09/2022 19:05

Please do! We can handle corrections without sulking and enjoy robust two way (or more) debate - unusual for these times I know!

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Speak for yourself. I reserve the right to a truly MAGNIFICENT sulk at a time of my choosing.

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