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Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2

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nauticant · 13/09/2022 11:15

The Tribunal started on 9 September, witness testimony started on 12 September.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets.

To obtain access to view the proceedings, send a request email to [email protected] about case CA/2021/0013 - Mermaids vs Charity Commissioner and LGB Alliance and ask for permission to join. You then have to provide certain information and agree to a judge's direction in order to be able to join.

Abbreviations:

J or judge: Presiding Judge, Judge Lynn Griffin
AJ or Judge: Assisted by Judge Joe Neville
MG: Mermaids counsel is Michael Gibbon KC
KM: LGB Alliance counsel is Karon Monaghan KC
AR: Karon is assisted by Akua Reindorf
IS: Charity Commission counsel is Iain Steele

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4629679-mermaids-versus-lgb-alliance-in-court-today
Thread 2: ongoing

Witnesses for the applicant (Mermaids):

Paul Roberts - CEO of LGBT Consortium (12 September)
John Nicolson MP - Deputy Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Global LGBT+ Rights (13 September)
Dr Belinda Bell - Chair of trustees of Mermaids (?? September)

Witnesses for the respondent (LGB Alliance):

Beverley Jackson - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Kate Harris - Co-founder and trustee of LGB Alliance (?? September)
Eileen Gallagher OBE - Chair of trustees of LGB Alliance (?? September)

Witness Statements:

Paul Roberts: lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Paul-Roberts-Witness-Statement-Exhibits.pdf
John Nicolson MP - Not yet available
Dr Belinda Bell: Not yet available
Beverley Jackson: Not yet available
Kate Harris: Not yet available
Eileen Gallagher: Not yet available

Submissions:

lgballiance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Volume-4-Submissions-CA.2021.0013.pdf

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ickky · 14/09/2022 10:22

Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 10:17

Redshoe, should he be doing that??

Once he has finished giving evidence, he is free to discuss.

Helleofabore · 14/09/2022 10:21

Oh dear..... 'stroppy' people is now going to be held over Bev and Kate?

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 14/09/2022 10:20

BJ sounding very measured and knowledgeable, unlike previous witnesses.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 10:19

I'll be patient then, Lipbalm. 👍🏻

Ditto now!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/09/2022 10:18

Ooh, I'm in now @Ameanstreakamilewide - thank you & keep on hanging on!

Birdsweepsin · 14/09/2022 10:17

Let's not forget that Mermaids recruited a 'strategic litigation' expert six months ago...

sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/gizza-job-this-is-a-truly-exciting

Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner - First-tier Tribunal (General Regulatory Chameber) Thread 2
Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 10:17

Redshoe, should he be doing that??

Eelicks · 14/09/2022 10:16

Balls, I have a very unique name. Meh

Chrysanthemum5 · 14/09/2022 10:15

Worth hanging on - there are 53 waiting to enter

Redshoeblueshoe · 14/09/2022 10:15

I see John Nicolson has tweeted last night about giving evidence

Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 10:14

I'm having the same issue today, Lipbalm.

I was logged in early and of course my laptop needed to restart right at that moment. 🙄

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 10:13

BJ: "I don't understand how you can have medical treatment when you don't have a medical condition."

I do. Munchausen's syndrome, and the proxy variant.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 14/09/2022 10:13

I've been using just my first name...

LipbalmOrKnickers · 14/09/2022 10:13

I was late joining and have been stuck with 'the waiting for the conference host to join' man for the last ten mins - does anyone know if they effectively shut the door at 10am or is it worth hanging on/retrying?

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 10:12

Some people do slip through with using only forename or initials but if you try it it might not get you in the room.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 14/09/2022 10:11

Yes full name required

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 10:11

A legalistic discussion of the meaning of "gender dysphoria" but as we've seen, this has transformed into an umbrella term.

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Eelicks · 14/09/2022 10:10

Is it right you have to give a full name to join,?

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 14/09/2022 10:08

Whenever my kids accuse me of shouting I’ll tell them I’m just using my Court of Appeal voice

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 10:07

J suggests that a barrister speaking using "Court of Appeal voice", if I heard right. Interesting slang.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 14/09/2022 10:07

Not enough microphones 😱

Chrysanthemum5 · 14/09/2022 10:06

Judge saying they have the Genderbread diagram - wonder what they thought of it

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2022 10:03

From the "sex is immutable and sexuality is based on sex" perspective, 9% of those transitioning are actually gay people, compared to 3% of the population. Therefore, there is something homophobic going on here.

From the "gender identity is the basis of sexuality and the body is irrelevant / can be altered" perspective, 91% of those transitioning are actually gay people, compared to 3% of the population. Not only is there no need to worry about homophobia driving transition, if you're trying to prevent transition you are homophobic.

Because we see homosexuality from completely opposite stand points, each side genuinely sees the other as homophobic. That scientific fact and the law are on our side re "sex matters" is irrelevant to them , because the law used to ban homosexuality and doctors/science genuinely tried to "cure" gay men.

Yes I know what you're saying, but I don't think it's that simple. I don't believe she was sticking to one definition, she was using both to suit her own argument. She acknowledged that most young female transitioners were lesbians, she didn't call them "straight men" which in her ideology they would be. So she's including all the others (who may actually be straight) as "gay/lesbian/bisexual" to get the 91% figure.

Chrysanthemum5 · 14/09/2022 10:02

64 waiting to get in and a lot of people already in - increasing interest every day

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nauticant · 14/09/2022 10:02

Looking at the many observers and over 60 in the waiting room, clearly word has got out about this case.

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