No Queen for a generation of more

Apparently they still have male primogeniture but they are talking about changing it to absolute primogeniture like we have here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonor,_Princess_of_Asturias

She's 16 and studying at Atlantic College, and now would be a good time to get that law changed before she's ready to have children herself. The current King is 56 and apparently was a playboy in his youth so plenty of time for him to ditch wife 1 (aged 50) and have a son.

I don't know but Spain for example has two princesses so will have a Queen next.

Do other countries now have either sex as heir?

I'm not a royalist, but if I had the choice between a democratically elected president like eg Donald Trump or her Madge I wouldn't need a nano second to decide.

I think though that while it may feel inspiring to have a queen rather than a king, if we consider that we would be ok with the former but not the latter, it implies a real hierarchy of value that is ultimately toxic.

We see this time and again where identarian politics thinks that it can create some kind of social equality by almost reversing hierarchies around the relevant characteristic. As if this will somehow create fairness.

An example being the admissions approaches of American universities which mean that because of their engineering to admit more black students, if you are an Asian student it will be almost impossible to get in with the same scores and other qualifications.

If we want men and women to have equal consideration, we have to actually give them equal consideration.

There are several "queens in waiting" in other European countries though.

I couldn't agree more!

Speaking of the partner walking one step behind. It works both ways. If Prince Phillip hadn't had to defer to the Queen, how different her reign would have been.

Prince Philip was a Prince before he married Elizabeth.

Since 1837 up until 2022, a woman has been on the throne for 133 years out of 185 years. Not bad at all.

I thought that was only Camilla because of a specific agreement, and that Kate will be a straightforward Queen Katherine?

I think there was a particular media interest in the interactions between the Queen and that particular PM, because for the first time in British history, 2 female heads of state/government were in charge of the country. The media loved to imply an animus and power struggle borne out of their being female, rather than their differences in political opinion. Plus their class differences, Thatcher being the "upstart" grocer's daughter and all, having more power than the woman ordained by God. I'm a miner's daughter and had no love of Thatcher, but looking back, realise how she needed to be x100 better/smarter than any man doing the same job (as proven by the shit fest that followed on from her). I feel a sadness at the passing of Queen Elizabeth II that I never thought I had in me. What a life.

Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but there is now currently only one female monarch- Margrethe of Denmark.

I'm fairly ambivalent about the monarchy. But I liked having a woman is Head of State.

I really really don't want to be in a country that has a King. I just don't.

Posting in here as it’s the only Royal
related thread on my ‘home’ board.

I was raised as a republican (small r!) by my grandfather who was a posthumous WW1 baby and then himself became WW2 a conscript. My great aunt married a GI who was an Asian American (her side of the family were really confused because a ‘chinaman’ in rural 1930s Britain was more or less a mythical character).

My grandfather fought in the Africa and Burma theatres of war, so his comrades were multi ethnic, as were his enemies.
He came back from the war with a firm belief in class solidarity, having seen that the sons of farmers were canon fodder in every land without exception and race had little to do with it.

Under this backdrop little me grew up understanding that deferring to her ‘betters’ wouldn’t do shit to save her, so why bother? I was the only Brownie in the pack who never sang the national anthem.

I give this background only to illustrate that I am not naturally sympathetic to the Royals.

Nonetheless, today I am struck by the thought that all this pomp, this gathering of world leaders at relative moments notice, this deference from
people who are the ruling class in their own countries, has been for a woman.
A woman who was assumed incapable in the early years, a woman who had to prove herself, who was a working mother, a woman who, despite immense wealth still never really ‘had it all’ nor was able to ever really please herself (despite no personal understanding of the money worries that keep many of her countrywomen awake at night).

Who knows what her working/home life split would’ve been if she’d truly had a free choice about it?

I’m glad primogeniture has been changed, and that our lack of future queens-in-their-own-right is now down to accident of birth rather than actual, obvious patriarchy. I’m still conflicted re: the monarchy but I’m not sure electing a president would be any better for this country, or for women.

if only intersectionality hadn’t been hijacker by dickheads and we might’ve been able to have a proper public discussion about all this.

as is, it’s nice to see some toxic male world leaders get pushed out of the limelight by a dead little old lady in a box.

yes, I have had a cheeky day drink but if anyone else is feeling similarly conflicted I’d love to hear your stories.

Did Philip walk behind the Queen?

You have no way of knowing that. It depends on who George, or if something were to happen to him, Charlotte, marries.

And does either Camilla or Kate walk behind their husbands?

I don't think many people especially the current generation are bothered anymore.

A rich, white, elderly, upper class male with a wife always a couple of steps behind

To be fair, Camilla is also rich, white, elderly and upper class.

If George marries a woman of colour then their firstborn would become Queen if she's a girl.

And of course, no racial equality. We won’t see a woman of colour as Head of Sate, ever. Unless we become a republic