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Guardian interview with that trans Gaelic footballer

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Fenlandia · 08/09/2022 11:30

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/08/trans-gaelic-footballer-giulia-valentino-leave-legacy-inclusion

It contains the usual "I'm just a poor weak thing now I'm on wrong-sex hormones". (I'm surprised it didn't include the trope of "Now I'm a woman I can't open jars any more!")

Also has no photographs due to 'harassment' - so no chance for readers unfamiliar with the story to see that picture of this person closing in on the young girl holding the football and to think "golly, isn't that a man?"

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/09/2022 12:08

I’ll just pop the photo here - a shame for ppl to miss out

Guardian interview with that trans Gaelic footballer
NecessaryScene · 08/09/2022 11:58

Also it still isn't fair! I'm slow enough and old enough that I wouldn't win a girls' race or team sport match but I still don't belong in their younger age category.

As Tucker has said (from memory) - women's sport exists to celebrate exceptional females, not mediocre males.

A male managing to diminish his ability down to female level via drugs is not an achievement.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/09/2022 11:56

I wonder if the stated reason for no photos was the actual reason.

Kidding! I'm not wondering at all. One 'person'...erm...mountain guide.

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Fenlandia · 08/09/2022 11:56

And, as we have seen in the science from Hilton, Tucker etc, reducing testosterone doesn't negate the advantage of bigger heart, lungs, lean muscle mass.

Also it still isn't fair! I'm slow enough and old enough that I wouldn't win a girls' race or team sport match but I still don't belong in their younger age category.

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NecessaryScene · 08/09/2022 11:52

has found that trans women may retain strength during the first three years of hormone therapy."

They kind of want you to read into that an implied "they don't after 3 years", but there's just a limit on how long-term the studies are. We have yet to discover any time period over which they might fall to "female" strength.

DecayedStrumpet · 08/09/2022 11:47

Mind you...

"Research, including a study by Joanna Harper, a trans woman at Loughborough University, has found that trans women may retain strength during the first three years of hormone therapy."

That's unusually truthful for the guardian isn't it. They normally prefer to skirt around facts in this sort of cuddly, be kind, most oppressed ever, article

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Fenlandia · 08/09/2022 11:46

That's the one. It's still there on Twitter and in the Daily Mail article.

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IcakethereforeIam · 08/09/2022 11:36

Is it the photo where everyone thought the trans player was the referee?

This quote from the article:

"The Guardian agreed not to publish this or any photograph that identified Valentino, who has been harassed. “Safety is a privilege that doesn’t belong to trans people,” she said."