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Not all Menstruators Menstruate

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MauisLeftNipple · 07/09/2022 06:29

Seen on a FB group about reusable sanitary products, now renamed Sustainable Menstruators.

Admin is explaining how she has made the group more inclusive with the use of Menstruators, even if "not all menstruators bleed and not all menstruators menstruate."

I can't keep up. What the biscuit is a Menstruator when it's at home?

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SidewaysOtter · 11/09/2022 15:40

'menstrual powers'? WTAF are they?!

The ability to have bigger tits once a month coupled with a fuse so short it could be classified as a dangerous weapon?

SidewaysOtter · 11/09/2022 15:38

Choconut · 07/09/2022 08:26

Maybe she's seen a gap in the market? Menstruators that don't menstruate? She could call them men-struators, or just 'men' for short....

Brilliant Grin

I don’t ‘own’ my uterus. It’s part of my body, like my kidneys and my liver and the little wart on my left hand. ‘Owning ‘ makes it sounds as if I have some choice in the matter, as if I could maybe sell it to someone and then they would be the rightful ‘ owner’.

“For sale: uterus, lightly used and still in original packaging. Offers accepted, p&p at cost.”

FunnyTalks · 11/09/2022 13:56

Deliriumoftheendless · 10/09/2022 16:17

I’ve known lads who referred to girls as “fanny”- I thought they were arseholes but who knew they were terribly progressive?

Ha! And the posh boys who referred to women as "skirt" were actually ultra woke pansexuals, letting us know that as long as the outward stereotypes were right, they had no transphobic genital preferences.

EarthSight · 10/09/2022 16:32

not all menstruators bleed and not all menstruators menstruate

So first of all, we have a word menstruator being used because they want to press home the point that not all 'menstruators' identify with being a woman (even if they are, biologically still female).

Right, ok, but then this writer then uses the word 'menstruator' (menstruation being biological function) as a synonym for 'woman' (how incredibly transphobic) which is why they then feel that they have to point out that not ALL menstruators actually menstruate.

Deliriumoftheendless · 10/09/2022 16:17

I’ve known lads who referred to girls as “fanny”- I thought they were arseholes but who knew they were terribly progressive?

sleepwbutterflies · 10/09/2022 16:14

If they keep reaching for physical identifiers to label women by, they're liable to wind up revisiting 'broad' eventually.

SongAtTwiighlight · 10/09/2022 00:09

Hopefully, the Admin has made a tactical withdrawal, due to having her arse handed to her on a plate, several times over? Deservedly. I mean, "Not all Menstruators Menstruate" - ???? What the hell is that supposed to mean, in any context?

I hope she has some kind people around her to comfort her, who are also rooted in reality, though.

MauisLeftNipple · 09/09/2022 23:30

Admin never responded to the request to define a menstruator who doesn't menstruate and so I will never know what she believes it is.

There's not even a single tumbleweed blowing across the group so I'm pretty sure she's killed it.

What a shame 🙄

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PrincessNutella · 09/09/2022 22:17

You just made my day. The whole idea that it isn't woke enough if you imply that menstruators are folkity folx who like, menstruate, is just absolutely perfect. I can't wait to tell the husband about this one.

SweetSenorita · 08/09/2022 13:41

Noonoo88 · 07/09/2022 06:34

Surely you can't be called a menstruator if you don't menstruate? That'd be like me calling myself a bus driver, even though I don't drive buses!!

Yes, but you can just identify as a bus driver, innit? 🤦‍♀️

LaughingPriest · 08/09/2022 13:29

MagpiePi · 08/09/2022 10:42

Going back to the original dilemma of what to call this group, why does it have to refer to people of any kind? Why not call it Sustainable Period Products' or something?
I mean, you wouldn't expect a business selling hair care products tying itself in knots trying to include naturally bald people or people who choose to shave their heads in the name, in order not to 'exclude' those people?

Yes, this would be fine and probably easier to find when searching etc.

MauisLeftNipple · 08/09/2022 11:45

dandelionthistle · 08/09/2022 11:00

Exactly! They could so easily avoid this, but have perhaps absorbed a vague compulsion to perform 'inclusion' just in case.

I'm actually very tickled by the explicit inclusion of companions. Imagine thinking 'well, I have a wife, and I sit next to Pam at work, maybe I should join a fb group to chat about washable pads?' Confused

The "Companions" is bizarre too. Had I realized what it meant I never would have joined the group. Like, should I have been inviting my book group to the discussion about period cups? Weeiird. So weird.

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MauisLeftNipple · 08/09/2022 11:41

It is totally bizarre. She has said she doesn't want the group title to mention gender. So.....don't? Maybe give it a title that indicates what it is about? Like, its original title 🙄

But, I think the issue is that she wants to make it very clear that it is not a gendered group, by pointedly de-gendering it, so that it's open to all people within seven degrees of separation from a vagina. Or something like that.

Just call the bloody group Sustainable periods (transpeople and people welcome) and watch as the group membership...falls off a cliff....

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dandelionthistle · 08/09/2022 11:00

MagpiePi · 08/09/2022 10:42

Going back to the original dilemma of what to call this group, why does it have to refer to people of any kind? Why not call it Sustainable Period Products' or something?
I mean, you wouldn't expect a business selling hair care products tying itself in knots trying to include naturally bald people or people who choose to shave their heads in the name, in order not to 'exclude' those people?

Exactly! They could so easily avoid this, but have perhaps absorbed a vague compulsion to perform 'inclusion' just in case.

I'm actually very tickled by the explicit inclusion of companions. Imagine thinking 'well, I have a wife, and I sit next to Pam at work, maybe I should join a fb group to chat about washable pads?' Confused

ReeseWitherfork · 08/09/2022 10:48

MauisLeftNipple · 07/09/2022 22:36

Ok, so it appears the Admin understands that Menstruators has gone down like a lead balloon. She will remove it but is unable to do so for 27 days. She is asking for alternatives that don't mention gender. I mean, the original group title was fine but I guess it didn't clearly indicate it was a woke place.

Why can’t she just call the group “Sustainable Period Products”?! I don’t understand what’s complicated about that. Imagine (apparently!) working in the niche “inclusive” menstruation space for 18 years and still trying yourself up in knots about the language. Sums it up really.

Cheeselog · 08/09/2022 10:44

KatVonlabonk · 08/09/2022 07:50

Lol, I've got PCOS and it wouldn't upset me at all. It's clearly aimed at men. I am not a man.

Can you really not see that it might be upsetting to be jokingly lumped in with men if you have masculine symptoms due to androgen excess which you were sensitive about?

MagpiePi · 08/09/2022 10:42

Going back to the original dilemma of what to call this group, why does it have to refer to people of any kind? Why not call it Sustainable Period Products' or something?
I mean, you wouldn't expect a business selling hair care products tying itself in knots trying to include naturally bald people or people who choose to shave their heads in the name, in order not to 'exclude' those people?

FunnyTalks · 08/09/2022 10:15

There can never be an acceptable euphemism for biological female because that would mean acknowledging female biology exists and is significant. We are expected to talk about every aspect of female biology as if it arises independently and mysteriously. Women are being robbed of the opportunity to make sense of our bodies and to talk about them coherently.

This is beautifully put.

It neatly fits into the way misogynists need to separate younger women from older women, or pit them against each other. They know full well that older women might be more experienced in identifying misogyny and dangerous patterns in male behaviour, and as such present a threat.

I remember talking about childbirth to an elderly neighbour after I'd just had my first baby. It mattered fuck that she wasn't a menstruator, may no longer have been a uterus bearer. It was a wonderful experience to feel this connection with a woman who'd given birth in the 60s. She ended the conversation saying "of course, we couldn't talk about this stuff back then".

LaughingPriest · 08/09/2022 09:58

There are loads of reasons why biological females might not menstruate (regularly/at all).

Yes, which is why if the OP was about the claim 'not all females menstruate' this wouldn't be a thread.

If you re-read the OP you can see what the claim is and why it is funneee

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/09/2022 08:05

KatVonlabonk · 08/09/2022 07:50

Lol, I've got PCOS and it wouldn't upset me at all. It's clearly aimed at men. I am not a man.

Same

Deliriumoftheendless · 08/09/2022 07:56

Cheeselog · 07/09/2022 23:41

Well no. There are loads of reasons why biological females might not menstruate (regularly/at all). Women with PCOS or other hormonal conditions for example, who might feel a bit touchy about this comment.

You’re right that there’s loads of reasons a biological female won’t menstruate- my 80 year old mum doesn’t, my 9 year old daughter doesn’t - in a couple of years I won’t- so why would you call my mum or daughter a menstruator? This is h the e problem when people won’t use words like women or girls. They become pretty useless.

if someone absolutely can’t use these words then best thing is second person- “if you need period products these are the sustainable pads for you!” “If you are having changes to your menstrual cycle contact blah blah” then at least when anyone complains they have to be a bit more honest in their reasons.

KatVonlabonk · 08/09/2022 07:50

Cheeselog · 07/09/2022 23:41

Well no. There are loads of reasons why biological females might not menstruate (regularly/at all). Women with PCOS or other hormonal conditions for example, who might feel a bit touchy about this comment.

Lol, I've got PCOS and it wouldn't upset me at all. It's clearly aimed at men. I am not a man.

Cheeselog · 07/09/2022 23:41

Choconut · 07/09/2022 08:26

Maybe she's seen a gap in the market? Menstruators that don't menstruate? She could call them men-struators, or just 'men' for short....

Well no. There are loads of reasons why biological females might not menstruate (regularly/at all). Women with PCOS or other hormonal conditions for example, who might feel a bit touchy about this comment.

drhf · 07/09/2022 23:09

I'd be interested to hear the admin's analysis, but perhaps she mistakenly thought "menstruators" was an approved euphemism for biological female. Her oxymoron was perhaps intended to mean "not all biological females menstruate". She may next try out "Not all uterus-owners menstruate" at which point she will be told off for triggering people by bringing up the allegedly unrelated question of uterus ownership.

The admin hasn't yet discovered there is no approved euphemism for biological female. Period products are marketed at menstruators, but who are these menstruators? Well, they are people who need period products. It's deliberately circular. The people who need to be booked in for cervical smears are cervix-havers. Who are these cervix-havers? The people who need cervical smears, of course.

There can never be an acceptable euphemism for biological female because that would mean acknowledging female biology exists and is significant. We are expected to talk about every aspect of female biology as if it arises independently and mysteriously. Women are being robbed of the opportunity to make sense of our bodies and to talk about them coherently.

Dreikanter · 07/09/2022 22:41

Something like “Sustainable Period Products Users” would be gender avoiding enough?

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