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They have turned the toilets at my daughter's school mixed sex

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dumpling23 · 06/09/2022 23:30

Yup - that's it really. On a local women's rights group I'm on, I've heard that another school in our town has also done just the same thing. I'll be writing to complain. I imagine others who look at this forum might hear that the the same change has been introduced at their children's school over the next few days, so here is a copy of my letter. If anybody else is in this situation, feel free to use/adapt this template. Corrections also welcome.

I am writing to register my concerns about the changes to the ** School toilets that have been reported to me by my child. I have been informed that the single sex provision at the English Block and the Canteen Corridor have been converted into mixed sex provision, with further conversions underway. In this letter I am requesting further information in order to better understand the situation, as the only information I have received at present comes from a child.

I will state at the outset that I consider removing single-sex toilet provision and replacing it with mixed-sex provision, as appears to be the case here, to be detrimental to female pupils. It also risks breaking the law. The guidance in the Schools Premises Regulations (2012) is very clear. It states that schools must provide separate sex provision for children over eight. In June 2018, the Department of Education reissued guidance from the Department of Education on the responsibilities of school in relation to ‘gender separation’. Paragraph 13 clearly states:

It is permissible for toilet and boarding accommodation facilities to be separate as they are captured under existing statutory exceptions. Separate toilet and washing facilities must be provided for boys and girls aged 8 years and over pursuant to Regulation 4 of the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012, which falls within the exemption provided for in Schedule 22 of the Equality Act 2010.

Furthermore, as you will no doubt have noticed, the Attorney General, Suella Braverman provided further guidance to schools about toilets in her speech of 10 August 2022. She said: ‘Further, in law, there is a duty to provide separate single sex toilets, a breach of which would be unlawful under the School premises (England) Regulations 2012 and the Education (Independent School Standards) Regulations 2014.

In order that I can better understand the School’s actions and assess how it fits within the UK’s legal framework, I would be grateful if you could provide answers to the following questions:

  1. What is the toilet provision in the school and is it in line with the School Premises Regulations (2012) as outlined in the Department of Education guidance?
  2. Did the school consult with students, staff and parents about the proposed change?
  3. Did the school carry out an impact assessment (especially in relation to the protected characteristics of sex and religion) on the change as is required under the Equality Act?

If the school did carry out a consultation exercise and Impact Assessment, I would be grateful if you could share the documentation around these processes.

I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

OP posts:
ChristinaXYZ · 07/09/2022 10:24

Really excellent letter. Well done OP.

LetsGoDoDoDo · 07/09/2022 10:21

Excellent letter OP - following with interest!

maddy68 · 07/09/2022 10:07

In almost every school I have worked in they are unisex

Please go and have a look at the set up before making a complaint.

shedwithivy · 07/09/2022 09:48

Placemarking - excellent letter

MsRosley · 07/09/2022 09:47

Bloody excellent letter.

FunnyTalks · 07/09/2022 09:42

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 06/09/2022 23:43

I might want any impact assessment to include disability. Many people who are covered by the PC of disability do not need to use the accessible toilet, and some of those could be disproportionally affected by a change to mixed-sex toilets. Perhaps needing to make adjustments or self-administer treatment somewhere semi-private but not in the restricted space of a cubicle, PTSD from sexual assaults, menorrhagia…?

I second this.

Excellent letter op. You might want to arm yourself with further info if you get pushback.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges#conclusion

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp

AgathaMystery · 07/09/2022 09:25

Awesome letter OP. I reckon we are in the same WhatsApp group!! It’s bloody great isn’t it.

Anactor · 07/09/2022 09:02

Boreded · 07/09/2022 03:50

If they have only changed one then what’s the problem?

your daughter can still use another girls only restroom, and a trans, or nb, or whatever child can go into the mixed bathroom without any shame or worry.

there should be three bathroom options as it will cater for all then. Male, female, and mixed seems sensible

The problem is that they don't seem to have told the parents - and if any of the parents/guardians are religious Muslims, for example, they will need to know where the single-sex washing facilities are going to be so their children can pray.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/09/2022 08:56

Excellent letter, do keep us updated. I would recommended copying in Safe Schools Alliance and Sex Matters in future correspondence. SSA were great in helping me write to our school about single sex toilets.

Iliveonahill · 07/09/2022 08:53

My son goes to a boys state school. In the sixth form girls can join. I will be complaining if I hear that they have turned the girls toilets into mixed. It would be so wrong, 1400 boys and 50 girls. The abuse would be appalling. This is why we must all complain even if it protects one girl.

justaladyLOL · 07/09/2022 08:46

Wonderful girls will see boys waving their wiliue about
Insane
State schools and Teachers are desperate to show how woke they are

picklemewalnuts · 07/09/2022 08:39

There was no privacy, so no safeguarding issue.

But yes, it felt very exposed. How long you are in there, whether it smelled, if you found it dirty, and didn't want people to think it was you...

Absolute nightmare.

Punishing all individuals for the behaviour of others.

poshme · 07/09/2022 08:33

@picklemewalnuts wow! I'd have thought that would be a safeguarding issue. As a teacher I'd have hated sharing toilets with students.
I really wouldn't want kids I was teaching hearing me go to the loo or unwrapping sanpro.

Brilliant letter OP. Hope it does the trick.

picklemewalnuts · 07/09/2022 08:16

It's also part of using the girls to modify the boys' behaviour, I think. I was taught as a trainee to manage restless boys by sandwiching them between calm girls.

But it's ineffective, and at the girls' expense.

picklemewalnuts · 07/09/2022 08:15

I've taught in a school where students and staff all use the same, mixed sex, open toilets.

I wasn't there long enough to find out whether there were more suitable facilities hidden away around the site for those in the know.

I know I never relaxed for a second. I had an IBS flare as a result.

Two minutes peace in a quiet toilet cubicle turned out to be fundamental to my ability to relax at school. Everywhere in schools is loud, jostling, crowded. The toilets and library used to be the only places to just pause and catch your breath.

HipTightOnions · 07/09/2022 08:09

I just do NOT understand why schools would ever do this?

Cowardice. They can then avoid the issue of children wanting to use the toilets for the opposite sex.

Are the teachers installing mixed sex toilets for teachers or is it just students?

There have been rumblings about it at my school but no action so far, thankfully.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/09/2022 07:59

Great letter OP. Hope you get a speedy response and that others will use it for schools behaving in this shameful and illegal way.

DdraigGoch · 07/09/2022 06:43

Boreded · 07/09/2022 03:50

If they have only changed one then what’s the problem?

your daughter can still use another girls only restroom, and a trans, or nb, or whatever child can go into the mixed bathroom without any shame or worry.

there should be three bathroom options as it will cater for all then. Male, female, and mixed seems sensible

Why do you think that the OP has written to the school to ask for clarification, rather than going in all-guns-blazing? It means that she can establish exactly what provision is left and where.

hatsofftoyouall · 07/09/2022 06:19

I'm some primaries you can have an all female staff. But yes that's a good point

Ozgirl75 · 07/09/2022 06:16

Are the teachers installing mixed sex toilets for teachers or is it just students?

hatsofftoyouall · 07/09/2022 05:51

(It is an excellent letter!)

hatsofftoyouall · 07/09/2022 05:48

I'm a teacher and I know how many of my colleagues need it spelling out!

hatsofftoyouall · 07/09/2022 05:47

Add in the words 'discriminating against girls' and also have a look at the latest keeping children safe in education which I'm sure talks about peer on peer sexual abuse and making sure schools are well equipped to deal with this, obviously single sex provision is a part of it. Even in primary.

Igmum · 07/09/2022 05:36

Excellent letter. Well done OP. Fingers crossed it has an impact

Ozgirl75 · 07/09/2022 05:13

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