The spell is breaking......daughters finally waking up?

The credit for the comedy is all yours, don't be so modest.

Yeah, I can’t see anyone else smiling in here

A very smart, caring and inclusive daughter you have. She sounds like a credit to the whole LGBT community.

I love how angry you all are @PrawnofthePatriarchy these threads are all hilarious

You don't sound awfully concerned that "the future is looking super bleak", fup. Do better.

Well, it takes all sorts I guess, but one person in this thread has bizarrely chosen 'lazy zings to parents' as their life's single cause.
And they're not even very good at it

I'm currently fundraising for 2 different causes while I wait for my tea to cook...

Wonder if the fervent online trans activists ever get told this? That they should focus on some other more important fight? It's probably more likely that this happens to women and women's issues.

I love how angry you all are @PrawnofthePatriarchy these threads are all hilarious 😆

You're clearly worried about far more important issues than women's rights, @Fupoffyagrasshole. Perhaps best you don't waste your time on this feminist forum...

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Absolutely right, because women must never fight for themselves. It's so unfeminine. Good to see someone still respects the old traditions, when there's so much change all around us.

Thanks for posting, Fupoff. You've reminded this old feminist of the 1970s, when our leftie comrades earnestly assured us that women's issues would be dealt with as soon as we'd established workers' control of the means of production. But for the present, tackling women's issues was a capitalist ploy to take our minds off the true struggle. Our campaigns were 'diversionary'.

Fast forward 50 years and we're told we can't even talk about women's issues or have single-sex meetings. Now our campaigns are 'bigoted'. It feels like being lectured by exactly the same posturing middle-class wankers as in the 1970s. Must be their grandchildren!

My teen DD is quietly gender critical. She’s always been massively sporty, so I think the issue was forced for her in terms of making up her mind when she started seeing men winning in womens elite sporting categories. She’s luckily formed a friendship group with other sporty, take no shit girls none of whom seem to have bought into the trans ideology. They still take all the non binary identity stuff more seriously than I do, but I’m quietly confident they’ll grow out of that.

Autistic teen DS is a breath of fresh air on this issue. He is very low key and doesn’t rock the boat socially, which I’m glad of as he is quite vulnerable and has enough battles to fight already, but he is massively eye rolly about all of it. Trans ideology, gender identity, all the stupid pronouns etc. He recently said to me very deadpan over breakfast while scrolling Twitter on his phone ‘So, Mum, apparently men are having periods now, did you know?’ and we shared a massive eye roll together.

I've tried to have the conversation once and it ended in DD crying. Very much in the Be kind frame of mind. I'm hoping that sports will help (she plays and can see the difference between the female and male teams) but I haven't tackled it head on again since.

Well done to you OP but it's a lost cause. School and Unis have adopted hook, line and sinker the woke and cancel culture and will ride rough shod over parent's rights.. and what is in fact right.

I think the tide is slowly starting to change. DD has a number friends who consider themselves to be trans or non-binary so we've had some discussions on the subject. In discussions with her I've always made it clear that I am not transphobic but do worry about the impact on young people (particularly lesbians) of telling them that if they don't conform to gender stereotypes they need to change their identity and how we are safeguarding women if any man who says he feels female has access to women's safe spaces and sports. I've suggested all her friends might be happier if we challenged the gender stereotypes so society would not think anything of a boy who likes make-up and musical theatre or a girl who likes sport and is attracted to other women.

6 months ago her stance was very strongly TWAW, no debate, #bekind. During a discussion about self ID she stormed off shouting 'Fuck off terf' at me. A few weeks ago I heard her say to a friend 'but of course, gender is just a social construct'. She's also agreed with me that it's dangerous to have biological male inmates in female prisons. I'm keeping fairly quiet now and letting her join some more of the dots for herself.

Yeah, I'll be sad that the Green Party got sidetracked by identity activists from fighting on climate change and environmental issues focussing on ousting GC members.

Indeed. They are sending such an excellent message to the world about the urgency of the environmental disasters facing us with their luxury belief gender politicking.

Great news OP. I think/hope the "trans" fad is dissipating.

What we really need to kill it off once and for all is for lots of tedious middle aged women like me declaring ourselves "trans". The kids would move on to a different form of rebellion. Hopefully one that involves forming bands and writing songs, ghastly teenage poetry, that sort of thing....

Yeah, wish I could vote for the Greens. Why are they wasting their time on this nonsense? I do what I can, but it's not a patch on what they could achieve if they weren't so set on alienating their potential supporters.

The rights of women and my daughter's future are a massive waste of time?

Depends on your perspective, I suppose.

Yeah, I'll be sad that the Green Party got sidetracked by identity activists from fighting on climate change and environmental issues focussing on ousting GC members.

To be fair to Fup, I should be working on a climate change project right now (or at least once I've finished my coffee).

I wish those campaigning for loss of female-only protections would stop doing so, and go and prioritise climate too. There are better ways of providing facilities for gender-diverse people than taking them from women, and it's also much cheaper than tackling climate issues.

It beats me why shoehorning male people into female facilities seems such an important aim for anyone.

ah when the Country is uninhabitable in a few years and everyone is fucked because of climate change and the future is looking super bleak

Best get to it, then, hadn't you, rather than posting on forums on subjects that don't interest you. Chop chop.

And yet here you are...

If the climate really goes wonky and the shit hits the fan with regard to living in a society mediated through reproductive tech, it's going to become very clear that men and women are not interchangeable.