Barclays criticised for advert that shows transgender woman receiving financial advice so she can fund surgery to give her 'big t***'

"It's not healthy for her."

That's your view, it's not hers and it's her body to go with as she pleases. It's this little thing called freedom.

You have a few times posted a discredited 'Yale' study recently. I don't think you understand that any university who may have a laxness in review can allow errors to happen.

As well as there only being a very small group who actually had the surgeries 12.8% vs 59.2% of people 'wanting' the surgeries, where is the data for those people who DIDN'T want surgeries? The 27.9% seems to be missing? How did they compare? Now that would be interesting to see. Do you have it?

The biggest issue in my mind though, did you notice then that those having those surgeries still reported significant distress levels. All the while they have been more likely to have also received counselling AND they still have significant distress levels.

Did they investigate why?

Because we also know from both detransitioners, and transitioners and their clinicians that a great deal of distress is still caused by surgeries going poorly and discovering that these surgeries have not helped at all.

Where are the statistics for those transitioners?

Have they then included anything about them? We know from a study done in Europe that 8-9% of medically treated transitioners up to 2017 detransitioned after medical treatments.

That is a pretty significant % to include in this study.

What also causes me concern in regard to this study, is that it does not include the significant latest cohort of young transitioners - that bump after 2015 that is the majority of young female transitioners.

So, in effect, it is not as relevant to today's transitioners.

The conclusion drawn by this study is looking weaker than you would like it to be.

No empathy about what it's like to be trans. I genuinely don't understand why people are so uninterested in understanding their struggles.

What makes you think that? Empathic people also use black humour. I have an enormous personal interest and empathy.

But this lady's struggles are not relevant to the advert. Indeed if she is struggling then really she shouldn't be on TV promoting breast enhacement as a source of happiness at all. It's not healthy for her. What if it doesn't make her happy? That advert will grin at her forever.

Promoting breast enhancement surgery to trans women is no better than promoting it to anyone else. And having a trans woman say "it makes me happy" is no better than having anyone else saying the same.

Gender affirming surgery is good actually.

Sometimes. So is breast enhancement for women. Sometimes. You still aren't supposed to promote it in adverts, because that also encourages people who it wouldn't be good for.

Those of us who don’t post much see it for what it is @Helleofabore, don’t worry.

No empathy about what it's like to be trans. I genuinely don't understand why people are so uninterested in understanding their struggles.

All companies are trying tp prove how woke they are
I have a Barclays account i do not use much
Closing it tomorrow

The Harvard Medical report is dated April 2021....

Bollocks, wrong thread. Can't be arsed to repost, answer the question!

@Hearach15
so you get your breasts cut off and your womb cut out, but on the plus side, your slightly more likely to give up smoking?
blimey

Totally different cohort to the vast majority of the dysphoric youth of today.

I knew it'd be that out of date Harvard study.

So, getting the thread back on track, what was wrong with Get the L Out's banners? I'm not going to claim they are unproblematic, but what would you say was wrong with them.

Stop outsourcing your thinking and answer a question.

The experts I'm quoting are Harvard Medical School. I'm happy to submit to their expertise.

I'm sorry trans happiness so upsets posters on this forum. I find it genuinely baffling.

The conclusions are not unique, in the site you've just linked it also notes: "A seminal 1998 review of the experiences of more than 2000 TGD people from 79 predominantly uncontrolled follow-up studies demonstrated qualitative improvement in psychosocial outcomes following gender-affirming surgery".

So not quite the expert analysis as billed, hmm, what a surprise.

And here are the issues with the paper @Hearach15 attached:

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429

'A major concern about this paper is that the two groups compared – those who have had surgery and those who might want it some day – are really nothing like each other. '

It goes on to describe the major problems in data analysis.

"It's promoting body image issues and plastic surgery that's the problem"

Gender affirming surgery is good actually.

"Gender-affirming surgeries were associated with a 42% reduction in psychological distress and a 44% reduction in suicidal ideation when compared with transgender and gender-diverse people who had not had gender-affirming surgery but wanted it, according to the findings. The study also found a 35% reduction in tobacco smoking among people who had gender-affirming surgeries."

www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/mental-health-benefits-associated-with-gender-affirming-surgery/#:~:text=Gender%2Daffirming%20surgeries%20were%20associated,it%2C%20according%20to%20the%20findings.

Not to rain on your cheerleading again, but this poster will not be back. I would sincerely say that you should check the posting history of posters you wish to amplify in this way.

it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

Nothing to do with LGB and not all of T either. It's promoting body image issues and plastic surgery that's the problem -- even though those are both known to be very good business.

Remember "heroin chic" promoting starvation addiction and self-harm to vulnerable young women? That sold a lot of fashion mags so arguably a commercial success. But got shut down eventually.

Promoting anything with serious physical or mental health implications - whether it's anorexia or cosmetic surgery - raises huge ethical problems for advertisers trying to be "edgy" and risks falling foul of advertising standards.

www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html

Indeed, it's almost as if being pro-LGBT is good business.

What is the link

Complain here about the Barclays ad please

Well I'm very glad it was savings and not a loan because:
Can't pay your mortgage = repossession
Can't pay your car loan = repossession
Can't pay for your tits = how would they get repossessed?!

And then of course, there is the guidance given my Stonewall that has been countered by leading human rights barristers in their advice to organisations and then made public.

That has been brilliant publicity!

Let's not forget that.

My favourite was Kia Ora mate, in NZ. Translated as Hello Death!

Anyone buying the Sun in Liverpool?