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Do you talk about being GC in real life?

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Waiting4baby2 · 01/09/2022 14:02

I feel like Im going mad. I am a left leaning person, only ever read bbc and the guardian news. Generally a ‘live and let live’ sort of person who cares about equality.
I was completely in the dark about policy changes which have taken/ are taking place to put gender ID above sex/ the silencing of women and frankly the child abuse that has been taking place through affirmative care.
Now I’ve started properly looking into it I’m completely in shock at how this has been allowed to happen to women’s rights. Im also gobsmacked at the way the guardian and bbc have been so biased in the matter and failing to air any gender critical views.
I feel like now I’m aware of what’s going on I want my friends and family, particularly female members to know. However, it’s such a layered story to get across and when I have gently mentioned anything I basically get ‘well it’s none of my business, it doesn’t affect me how people want to live’ or ‘I don’t know much about it’ but are clearly disapproving. Just a question is it worth bringing some ideas to light for them or will they get there themselves? I’m feeling quite powerless but know how important this is so in a way feel duty bound to air the alternative view. What can I do?!

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VortexofBloggery · 01/09/2022 15:02

You're not going mad, it is a huge cultural shift in a short space of time ( genderology) and it is just sexism rebranded, for me. The fact that your DH is thinking about it all clearly is a big plus, I've seen a few posts on here where not having partners on the same page has caused terrible turmoil at home. I would really struggle with that too. For everyone else, I wouldn't waste your breath on people unable to think critically about gender vs sex. They will be swayed only by groupthink, sadly for them. It's great when you do find those friends who get it though!

JoodyBlue · 01/09/2022 14:47

The answer is yes. The reason it has been able to take such a hold is the willingness of many people to turn a blind eye to the harms of the ideology. Those who haven't have lost a lot of social currency but kept their ability to say a spade is a spade, which is a freedom worth having. I suppose it depends on whether one values one's ability not to have to lie over a quiet and easier life. I know it doesn't just affect the individual if one speaks up, but family and friends too, so not easy. I hugely respect those who do speak. I have lost of lot of respect for many of my friends who can't seem to grasp the issues or seem to shrug things off and go along.

DameMaud · 01/09/2022 14:45

I totally relate Waiting!
I have been quietly exploring all of this on my own for about 5 years now and recently joining Mumsnet has been part of that journey.
It started as an instinctive response of confusion and doubt, and that sense of fear about opening up the discussion, even with those closest to me, spurred me on to look more deeply into it.
I am a non-conformist/questioner by nature, and that very fear alerted me to the fact that something psychologically and culturally unhealthy was at play.

The more I have researched (from all sides), the more confident I have become in my stance/trusting my intuition and have even managed to get my initially 'be kind/live and let live' DH to shift his perspective to a large degree.

I've started to discuss it with some friends, but I still feel that hesitance- particularly professionally.
I think there has been a growing awareness and some shift in the media at large which feels hopeful. I find the Forstater and Bailey rulings in GC beliefs have added greatly to my confidence too.
I think it's just the weirdness of being in a position, for the first time, as a 50 something, of going against the grain of something considered to be a civil rights movement. Freaked me out and led to lots of self examination. I'm grateful for this though, as I feel I finally discovered feminism at the ripe old age of 50!

I first voiced my concerns in a book group discussion about child transition about 4 years ago with a small group of very close friends. It was the uncomfortable social experience I have ever had and totally freaked me out! It is so hard, especially as a woman, to feel like an outlier. I know that in that situation now, my thoughts would be much better formed and I could back them up with suitable research/changes of approach in other countries, Cass report etc.

Things have moved a long way, and I think it is extremely important to ride the current tide and keep talking. Talking 1:1 can be easier at first and gather your evidence/data to give you confidence in backing your opinions.

It doesn't matter if people don't agree, it's just important to go against that sense of 'i can't say that'.
There's also lots of great resources now to send in to people.

You are not alone. Lots of us, at various stages of realisation, knowledge and confidence on here and elsewhere.
MN us a goldmine!

Realityisreal · 01/09/2022 14:29

Ì discuss with my DC, 22 and 23 who are pretty TWAW, I listen to what they say and then gently raise a query that relates, I.e. 'if TW use women's toilets what support is offered to women whose religion prevents them from using those toilets because of the presence of people who are physiologically men?'
We've always tended to discuss and debate, I do find this topic is the only one where the discussion isn't as free as any other, suffering to do with initial 'no debate' being translated by DC as 'shouldn't debate'.
I do talk to 2 colleagues at work, as feminists we discuss possible infringements on our own rights and how we fought against gender stereotypes in the past.
I also discuss it with my husband who thinks the works gone mad but as an ex police officer is all too aware of VAWG by males.

waterwitch · 01/09/2022 14:18

Hi Waiting, this sounds very much like me about 6 months ago - and then you find out some of what is actually happening, and you get very, very angry!

I have spoken about it to some of my friends, and been surprised by how GC some of them are, and I hadn’t realised. Also surprised by how angrily some respond - often those employed by big organisations, and obviously been through the training. They are often at the no-debate stage, so further discussion not really an option ( how has that happened?!)

No real advice on how to approach, but I know it’s worth taking the first step, but gently, you are definitely not alone! Hopefully someone with more experience will be along.