Boston Children's Hospital receives bomb threat after being "targeted" by Libs Of Tik Tok

It’s horrific enough that teenagers are being sterilised. But a hysterectomy can also cause a lot more internal damage, with lifelong effects. It should never be done except to solve a serious medical condition, not a psychological issue.

Yes @nauticant that's well observed. Some of life's most disturbing realities are too much to look at - partly because they are uncomfortable (we don't want to look at things that cause is anxiety) and because we have to do something about them - and because doing something is hard. We may lose friends, family, reputation...

When I tried to get help, as an abused child back in the 70s/80s, I was keenly aware that my news was very unwelcome. Nobody did anything, I was branded a liar and the abuse continued - because the adults were uncomfortable and sure, it was easier to turn a blind eye. As an adult, my former therapist once described me as a compulsive whistle-blower. He wasn't wrong. It's partly why I am riveted by this unfolding medical scandal.

Adult human females in the UK may comfort themselves with the idea that they can try to thread the needle of separating the T from the LGB while keeping all the other good stuff like same sex marriage and the Equality Act

you do realise this doesn’t actually make any sense, right?

pretending people can change sex has absolutely nothing to do with same sex marriage

pretending people can change sex has absolutely nothing to do with understanding and attempting to mitigate the disadvantages women face due to bearing children

Absolutely this. I think its very telling just how dismissive some concerned individuals are of the lived experience of detransitioners. Surely, anyone hearing their stories, would want to make sure organisations, doctors, schools, parents etc aren't blindly leading other children to a similar fate? Even if you believe in gender identity, sacrificing children who aren't "truly trans" would be abhorrent?

In the end it all comes down to the same thing: that we might see that some horrible things are happening, but we have to keep our horror to ourselves.

The worst thing is being effective in telling other people about the horrible things. Because the "wrong kind of people" might learn about them.

Who is that supposed to benefit? Not the children caught up in this that's for sure. Rochdale is a good analogy here.

There are two awful groups of people in my view.

The group removing the healthy breasts and uteruses of healthy gender non-conforming girls.

And the group that is determined to silence anyone with concerns about such a practice and shouts down anyone who does so with cries of “bigot!” “Fascist!” and “Terrorist!”

For all the talk of right and wrong side of history, I am 100% confident I am on the right side by not being in either of those two groups.

When you work to empower them you are causing harm to women and children here and that's not acceptable to me

But performing hysterectomies on teens is acceptable to you? Listen to yourself.

And on top of that, the "empowerment" surely comes from the Democrats supporting policies that are obviously wrong that Republicans can make them look like idiots (or worse) for supporting.

If a party does wrong and creates open goals, it can't demand that people don't point out its wrongdoing so as not to "empower" our mutual enemies. We will not be complicit in its crimes, and do not accept this forced teaming.

You think we are the ones who are causing harm to children? We are the ones speaking out against children being harmed by this ideology. Do you not think that teenage girls having mastectomies and hysterectomies is causing them harm?

I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

We don’t hate men in dresses, we just don't believe putting on a dress makes a man change into a woman.

I posted links to bomb threats to hospitals in the US just from this year alone! Do a Google news search limited to the past year, there a loads.

I'm more interested in why it's so important to deny any connection to Libs of Tik Tok or to deflect any blame, moral or legal. Just like it's so important to promote kiwi farms and Matt Walsh and all the rest

I just want the facts. Not speculation. Do you have anything other than speculation?

I think it’s a very feminist thing to do, to make sure a woman blowing the whistle on hospitals performing irreversible harm on children isn’t blamed for the actions of extremists who may have responded to such news with typical US lunatic reaction. It’s the First Rule of Misogyny.

Do you think no one should report on children and teenagers having mastectomies and hysterectomies?

Everybody has an agenda, including you. That's why you post here. I have been pretty clear about mine.

It is not common for American hospitals to receive bomb threats. Although it is something that has happened several times to abortion clinics. In fact, some have actually been bombed. By far right activists. Maybe that's why I don't think this is a reverse. The far right in the US are pretty open and honest about their violent intentions. I don't know why you don't believe them I do.

I'm more interested in why it's so important to deny any connection to Libs of Tik Tok or to deflect any blame, moral or legal. Just like it's so important to promote kiwi farms and Matt Walsh and all the rest. That's a lotta alt for left leaning feminists.

The woman who made the original complaint about a naked male was branded a far right Christian fundamentalist who was perpetrating a hoax by media outlets such as the Guardian. So I know exactly what to do when media organisations claim a bomb hoax is is due to critics of affirmative surgical procedures: wait for the actual evidence of such.

I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

And I don’t really care what you think either, and I won’t stop or ask others to stop calling out the greatest medical scandal of this century affecting children just because America is so loony that bomb threats towards hospitals are par for the course.

No one cares about American politics. This is solely about appropriate healthcare for children. It’s only the extremist left who bring politics into it, as if appropriate healthcare for children is a political position someone can take, like taxes or social welfare policies 🙄.

You need to be more clear whether you are talking about the incident or the protests that took place on a later date. Those protests did have far right groups, one of whom stabbed a pro trans counter protester, another accidentally stabbed a fellow anti trans protestor, and an anti trans protestor also beat a reporter with a pipe.

You can look any of that up.

There was a trans individual named Precious Child who was incorrectly id'ed by GC activists as being the perpetrator and revived harassment online before the true culprit was found and charged.

I point all this out because I see a pattern here where the FWR posters all say that they all take a measured, nuanced approach and are critical thinkers and all the TRAs are now setting up false flag operations.
I don't really care what you think, I only care about the meddling in US politics and the pretending that you don't understand that this ultimately has a negative effect on American women just because you hate men in dresses.

I also remember when media claimed the protests at the Wi Spa were “far right activists” when the reality was it was a normal woman who was proven right about a male indecently exposing genitals in a female only area. So I’ll be waiting for more information before making any judgement based on media reports. The Wi Spa incident highlighted how left wing media are just as likely to lie as anyone else.

That people across the political spectrum are equally horrified by young adolescents having irreversible surgeries on their breasts and uteruses should cause people to stop and think, instead it causes people to band all of those people concerned together as “problematic”. It’s just deflection from the dissonance of how these deflectors know they should also be horrified, but can’t bring themselves to be because they’re terrified of independent thought and leaving the sacred caste.

Your analogy is pointless because no one has proposed a law that anyone has to eat their first born but we do have politicians who advocate for the imprisonment and execution of parents of LGBTQ children as well as politicians who want to imprison women who have abortions. So yeah, if you want to support these people, either directly or by extension the paid commentators who are working to get them elected, then I consider you to be in bed with them.
Or as we like to say, in their basket.

US politics is different than UK politics. You are refusing to accept that we do not have independent politicians who work on achieving consensus on one issue at a time. The Republican party doesn't promote a feminist agenda. Its goal is the eradication of abortion rights, the dissolution of gay marriage along with employment protections, access to birth control, erosion of workers rights in general, and the removal of social support networks. When you work to empower them you are causing harm to women and children here and that's not acceptable to me. Even if you do really hate trans people or whatever it is that makes you think that issue is more important than all of the other things that makes someone a feminist.

Also, we just don't want to get into bed with Matt Walsh and Chris Wright and now Libs of Tik Tok and by extension all of the right wing politicians they support.

Why do you have to get into bed with anyone? Isn't it possible to have the same views on certain subjects and not on others. If an independent politician tried to introduce a law that everyone had to eat their first born, do you think right wingers would agree? Do you not think you'd all believe that was a preposterous idea?
Why can't you work with different groups on different projects to get a commonly wanted outcome? It doesn't mean you have to agree with all their other views.

Who are you, Alex Jones? Calling this a false flag operation is exactly what he did after 26 children were murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School. He made millions doing that. What's your motivation?

It's not tedious because it's true. And I don't need to look at that stupid Venn diagram again. Adult human females in the UK may comfort themselves with the idea that they can try to thread the needle of separating the T from the LGB while keeping all the other good stuff like same sex marriage and the Equality Act. In the US, we don't have that luxury. We don't have an Equal Rights Amendment read into law, we no longer have federal protections for abortion rights and our same sex marriage and access to birth control are also under fire. The US is a place of extreme polarity, we are the wealthiest nation in the world but we have three times the maternal mortality as the UK, we incarcerate more of our citizens than anyone else in the world and twenty five per cent of our children live below the poverty rate.

Trans issues don't gain traction with the feminists here because we have bigger problems and have to prioritize. Also, we just don't want to get into bed with Matt Walsh and Chris Wright and now Libs of Tik Tok and by extension all of the right wing politicians they support.

You can call yourselves left leaning feminists all you want but when you insert yourselves into what's happening in the US you will be perceived as aligning with the alt right. Especially when you use this forum to amplify alt right forums.

They have been receiving harassment for weeks so the bomb threat is most likely related to the social media posts.

Again, given how common bomb threats are against American hospitals, why do you say “most likely”? Why not just wait for police confirmation as to the motives of the perpetrator? Unless you have an agenda that is.

And even if the perpetrator’s motive is anger at BCH’s blasé gender affirmation approach, how is that the fault of LoTT? Should no one report on the biggest medical scandal of the century?

Libs of Tik Tok is run by Chaya Raichik, who is now employed by Seth Dillon. This means that libs of Tik Tok is now paid content but not to be confused with journalism. To me, that means that we have to consider the motives behind all of those involved. Seth Dillon is a multi millionaire Christian venture capitalist, whatever that means. There isn't very much info available on him as to where his money came from but there is a lot of money to be made in the US from pushing right wing media platforms, and it is an election year.

Rush Limbaugh
Alex Jones
Tucker Carlson
Seth Rogan
The Billy Graham Family
Focus on the Family

All communications companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars, all recipients of funds from angel investors, all have bankrolled smaller YouTube and other platform commentators. This is an election year in the US and right now the culture wars are hot.

If you look back at some of the archived stuff, libs of Tik Tok was mostly focused on disparaging people who were killed by the police, plus a lot of urban crime stuff. Oh and there was a lot of cancel culture, don't say this word. More than a little racist vibe. She really settled on anti LGBTQ posts, not just biology is real, but full on homophobic and transphobic posts.

Boston Children's Hospital is one of the most prestigious hospitals in the country, similar to Great Ormond. It's not just a gender clinic. They have been receiving harassment for weeks so the bomb threat is most likely related to the social media posts.

Yep, the bomb threat needs a thorough investigation and punishment.

And also it fills me with horror that children's hospitals are preforming these surgeries. Lost count of the amount of TRAs that say it never happens.

Any bomb threat could easily have been done by a TRA hoping to take the heat off of BCH after the damning LOTT revelations. Stop assuming what the motives were and who did this. I'm sure the FBI will find whoever was stupid enough to do this.

It’s shoddy journalism.

There was a bomb threat.

Police say they don’t know the nature of it.

Article says it’s not clear if there’s a link to increased threats, but writes two paragraphs linking it to threats about trans health care.

Then the OP links it to LoTT, without evidence. And a reminder, all LoTT did 3 weeks ago with its original post about Boston Children’s was to report its own website information about the treatments and surgeries it Carrie’s out on children.

There’s been a bomb thread. Abhorrent. No one knows who or why, and even the motives of the individual become evident and it was because of BCH’s gender affirming treatments, it is in no way the fault of the person who brought that news to wider attention, it is only the fault who thought a proportionate response was to threaten a bomb. It could quite easily eventuate that the bomb threat was related to something else entirely. It seems not that infrequent an occurrence in the US:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/nyregion/guns-hospital-employee-threat-new-jersey.html

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/20/bomb-threat-locks-down-walter-reed-hospital-navy-base.html

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/rhode-island-man-arrested-allegedly-calling-bomb-threat-yale-new-haven-hospital

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/new-hampshire-hospital-receives-hundreds-of-angry-calls-bomb-threat.html