Apparently mumsnet is next....

I'm always curious about some of the fringier areas on the interwebs and after the Christchurch shootings their name came up. I spent an hour or so having a look around and thought why does stuff like this actually exist and what good can it do for those that choose to linger and post there? Putin has said a lot about gender critical theory and come out in support of JKR but that doesn't make him remotely a source of authority that I should support or encourage. Seriously support for KF isn't a hill worth dying on.

They value free speech for its own sake (which means that yes, a lot of unpleasantness is vented there) and many posters have a rather childish delight in busting taboos, which is also unpleasant to encounter for a lot of people. They also value the truth and exposing fraudsters and abusers, which is even more unpleasant for the fraudsters and abusers who proliferate on the Internet, especially those who prey on vulnerable communities.

You don’t have to actually like them to be glad that this attempt to censor the internet failed.

Suggestion: if you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t repeat second hand rumours that have already been debunked on previous threads. There’s a lot of lies out there online, why add to them?

misanthropic incel fuelled hate and nonsense

Any thread in particular got your attention? What would you say most represents that description? I'm curious to see it, and how you found it.

I have waded through some of the misanthropic incel fuelled hate and nonsense on there and it is a cradle of toxic filth. I'm a fan and subscriber of Graham L and his courageous stand but KF - naaah they are a force for eveil. Avoid.

🥱Already debunked. See previous threads.

They are evil pure and simple - they doxx people into committing suicide and take pleasure in hosting and providing a platform for the Christchurch mosque shootings where they hosted a torrent of the live stream. Anybody doing anything other than condemning them unilaterally needs to take a long look in the mirror.

There’s something entertaining about clicking onto threads and seeing all the smarmy hate-filled gloating/attacking posts that didn’t age well. I accidentally bookmarked one of those posts on the Mermaids thread. Every time I opened the thread and something else had happened I’d see this ridiculous flailing attempt at DARVO and it only got more and more ridiculous.

Likewise, the gloating on this thread about KiwiFarms being taken down is making me smile.

Surely you don't mean Marg? Marg has no interest in KiwiFarms. In fact, would you believe that Marg had no idea about KiwiFarms prior to this episode?

So how come kiwifarms targeted keffals

I'd recommend people go look up the thread where it is clearly laid out, with evidence, in the first post.

Yes!!

Exactly!!! I am weirdly chuffed

Nor did I!

I thought it was to show that you felt a bit of a 'nana . . . 😧

There is exactly one person in this thread whose every comment is bloody-minded, motivated smarm, innuendo, and non sequitur. You know who. They know who.

’homosexuals’?

between this weirdly robotic language and repeatedly pointing towards illegal drugs on the dark web I’m really wondering if Marg has been taken over by a bot?

Considering the lies they still push about JKR I am inclined to disbelieve everything from TRA's. They are liars It's what they do.

"I thought DDOS attacks were illegal?"

Illegal for public Jane or Joe to do them, yes. Law enforcement however can do what they want to attack illegal websites etc to seize control or bring them down.

What is the evidenced difference between what was said to have happened, what 'actually' happened, and what was set up to happen to create an intentional effect to gain what was wanted?

Because at this point if we're going to pretend JKR said what she didn't and go bananas about it, my ability to have faith in what is said being actually true and containing any kind of integrity is getting a bit limited.

I suspect a vast amount of this is either not happening at all or is being staged to create a lot of outrage in order to get what is wanted. While relying on people being gullible enough to believe it without checking.

www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-keffals-anti-trans-rcna44834

Keffals also spoke out about sex and gender issues, and was doxxed on kiwifarms, threatened and became the target of stalking and harassment campaign. This includes being "swatted" (false accusations made about certain topics to get armed law enforcement to show up at the target's door).

So how come kiwifarms targeted keffals? Because kiwifarms don't like the viewpoint held by keffal?

Pretty much the entire world has seen at least one media article saying jk is a transphobe, do we all believe it? Well you do, but the rest of us actually read her essay

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

So are all media articles absolutely one hundred percent true?

Screenshots in many places not just kf are saved by many many people, they cant all fake them the exact same way. That's just not even possible at all.

8.15pm!

I’ve stopped bothering to respond to Marg, as I don’t believe they are posting in good faith. They seem to know a lot more about the site than their questions let on. Just the usual sparple

at 8.15 yesterday they knew nothing about KF, now they are experts on it. Fast work

No, 'they' don't. Do you?

Does a forum with thousands and thousands of users get the occasional arse who makes stupid, possibly illegal comments? Yes. Is it dealt with, as it is on any other space on the Internet? Yes.

🥝 farmers can be brutal. There is a strict "don't touch the poo" rule. If you attempt to interact with a lol-cow for entertainment, you become a lol-cow.

Genuine claims are archived. Archives can't be faked. Maybe Keffals could archive some of their claims of threats? No? Funny, that.

If that's true then no, it's not OK. Neither is it when TRAs do it, e.g. what has happened to Kathleen Stock and JK Rowling. If TRAs campaign against what KF do and not what their own crowd do, then they need to take a long, hard look at themselves and what they stand for.

I thought DDOS attacks were illegal? Anyway, that's what it's about really; Some TRA/Twitch streamer has been campaigning to pressure Cloudflare into refusing service to Kiwifarms so that the site loses Cloudflare protection and can be brought down via orchestrated DDOS attacks.

I believe the 'failed fart actor' comment refers to the travelling TRA/Twitch streamer's attempts to get people to pay money to watch said TRA/ Twitch streamer's home-made 'fart porn'.

I'm too tired and Australian to risk posting comment..

let’s turn off the internet. Job done

Wouldn't that be just Jen dropping the box? Or maybe Jen could throw the box in an incinerator?

I have been pretty impressed with the modding and rules on KFs. They might fling around a lot of phrases / words that I wouldn’t use because they are offensive, but I have free will and am a grown arsed adult and can choose not to go there and be offended.

I’ve stopped bothering to respond to Marg, as I don’t believe they are posting in good faith. They seem to know a lot more about the site than their questions let on. Just the usual sparple.