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ZombieMumEB · 2022-08-27T13:01:21+00:00

This is horrifying. Women (lesbians) told by police they are going to be removed because abuse is being hurled at these women. Police do nothing about the person shouting the abuse. https://twitter.com/GetTheLOutUK/status/1563490240912044033

TheClogLady · 03/09/2022 16:39

I expect a big chunk of those 20% straights will be parents or siblings of LGB teens/adults and/or teachers/HCPs/other professionals that have an interest in LGB rights beyond the theoretical.

AgnestaVipers · 03/09/2022 16:37

pattihews · 03/09/2022 11:57

1 Because most of the crowd at Pride are straight. I used to go to Pride in the noughties and hand out leaflets advertising free lesbian events. I stopped going when 90% of the women I approached insisted they weren't lesbians (some of them with a look of horror at the idea they might have been mistaken for one). Pride has turned from a protest to a place where straight people go to party and feel validated that they are LGBTQ+ positive and therefore 'progressive' and kind. Totally unaware of how homophobic and misogynistic Pride and Stonewall are.

2 No self-respecting LGB person I know attends Pride any more because it sold out to commercialism years ago. I know that in a couple of cities they hold an alternative event for those who can't afford the entrance fee to listen to the music or who object to the commercialism.

2 Because any LGB people who do go to Pride are party-people without a political bone in their bodies. There's a deep hinterland of older, political LGB people (who lived through section 28 and AIDS and attended the original Pride protest marches) who won't have rainbows in their homes and wouldn't dream of having anything to do with the Pride movement.

I can confirm this perspective, too.

AgnestaVipers · 03/09/2022 16:31

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2022 11:19

'In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust.'

lgballiance.org.uk/facts/

Yeah, thanks for flagging this up.👌

It's a sign of the bad faith at the heart of this troll's arguments that they claim an organisation like LGB Alliance is homophobic, just because it's an organisation that explicitly caters to the needs of...homosexuals.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/09/2022 16:24

You struggle to understand basic political concepts. I get that now

Just as you don't understand the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation.

TheClogLady · 03/09/2022 15:25

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:18

I think you mean 'distinct'. It's to raise awareness of trans issues and have a fun day out.

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so it would be fine to have a lesbian pride too? Or an LGB pride? How about an LGB charity… as in an alliance?

I do mean discrete, btw.
I took your advice and googled it.

LunaLights · 03/09/2022 15:24

Obviously bullshitting comes easily to those who have been brainwashed….

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:19

Synonym "means exactly or nearly the same as another word"

Please someone appreciate the irony of typing this when the word you are attempting to define is 'distinct'

Anyway, another synonym for 'distinct' is 'unique'. Again, you were arguing that every group's views were unique to that group.

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:18

TheClogLady · 03/09/2022 15:16

so why DO discrete (not the same, separate) versions of Pride exist solely for trans people?

I think you mean 'distinct'. It's to raise awareness of trans issues and have a fun day out.

TheClogLady · 03/09/2022 15:16

so why DO discrete (not the same, separate) versions of Pride exist solely for trans people?

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:13

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:09

OMG, you asked google for a synonym

"Definition of distinct

1 : distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see discrete sense 1) or not the same : separate "

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distinct

The definition of "different" is also "not the same : separate ".

It must have been tough teaching you English at school.

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:11

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:09

OMG, you asked google for a synonym

"Definition of distinct

1 : distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see discrete sense 1) or not the same : separate "

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distinct

You know what a synonym is? It's a word that "means exactly or nearly the same as another word". You could try Googling that too you know.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:09

OMG, you asked google for a synonym

"Definition of distinct

1 : distinguishable to the eye or mind as being discrete (see discrete sense 1) or not the same : separate "

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distinct

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:07

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:05

'Distinct' means 'different'.

Not when you're talking about statistics, no it doesn't. It means discrete. Not overlapping in any way.

Oh dear!

No, you're wrong. Google a word next time you don't understand it and that should clear things up.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:07

Feel free to answer literally any of the questions I've asked, then. We can all see that you can't.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:05

'Distinct' means 'different'.

Not when you're talking about statistics, no it doesn't. It means discrete. Not overlapping in any way.

Oh dear!

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:05

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:03

No I mean women as a group overall often have slightly different views to men as a group.

e.g.

"Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view"*

No - those two things don't mean the same thing.
'More likely to hold a view' doesn't mean that the views themselves are slightly different, which is what you keep stating.

It doesn't say anything about the 'similarities' in views - indeed, how would this be measured?

You struggle to understand basic political concepts. I get that now.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:03

No I mean women as a group overall often have slightly different views to men as a group.

e.g.

"Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view"*

No - those two things don't mean the same thing.
'More likely to hold a view' doesn't mean that the views themselves are slightly different, which is what you keep stating.

It doesn't say anything about the 'similarities' in views - indeed, how would this be measured?

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:03

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:00

That isn't a controversial statement, but you said they have 'distinct views' which is completely different.

Do you think LGBT people have distinct views from straight people? I.e. in my example, they would not think that the Tories were bad, because I am straight and I think the Tories were bad, therefore they could not share this view, because you state the views as a group are distinct.

'Distinct' means 'different'. And yes, the average LGBT person will have a different views to certain matters than the average straight person.

Same as the average Scot will have a different view to the average English person on many matters.

This is Politics for Beginners but I'm glad I can help you.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:01

If you used 'distinct' but didn't mean it, please can you just say? It will avoid further misunderstanding. I did ask in the post you quoted but you didn't answer.

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 15:00

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 14:46

"1,000 women will have different views to 1,000 men"

Break this down. Do you mean that each woman thinks the same as the other women, and all the men think the same but different from the women?

Do you think that any woman and any man might share the same 'views'? Can you give an example of a single 'view' where what you have said would be true?

You're either just plainly embarrassingly incorrect and posting untruths or don't know how to use words to accurately say what you're trying to claim. Have a go.

"Do you mean that each woman thinks the same as the other women, and all the men think the same but different from the women?"

No I mean women as a group overall often have slightly different views to men as a group.

e.g.

"Majorities of both men and women express support for legal abortion, though women are somewhat more likely than men to hold this view"

www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 15:00

That isn't a controversial statement, but you said they have 'distinct views' which is completely different.

Do you think LGBT people have distinct views from straight people? I.e. in my example, they would not think that the Tories were bad, because I am straight and I think the Tories were bad, therefore they could not share this view, because you state the views as a group are distinct.

Hearach15 · 03/09/2022 14:57

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 14:43

LGBT people are a distinct community within the general population with distinct opinions.

I'm straight. I think the Tories are bad.

Are you genuinely arguing that LGBT people think differently from me BECAUSE OF their sexuality or trans status?

Did you actually mean 'distinct' there or is it just another example of using any old word regardless of what it actually means? I genuinely can't tell with this homophobic crap.

"Are you genuinely arguing that LGBT people think differently from me BECAUSE OF their sexuality or trans status?"

LGBT people have different life experiences and their views are shaped by this. Poll any group of LGBT people and they will be much more in favour of marriage equality than a group of straight people, as an example.

Not sure why you think this a controversial statement.

LaughingPriest · 03/09/2022 14:55

Hearach, please can you list the 'distinct genders' ? I see you are erasing the existence of bigender people.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/09/2022 14:54

The LGBT community is very strongly in favour of trans rights, no matter how much transphobes/the LGB Alliance may wish it were not the case

Could you kindly tell us what actually are these 'trans rights' you are in favour of?
We've all been asking for years but bizarrely, no one ever seems to be able to give coherent answer?

Exactly what 'rights' do they need that they don't already have the same as everyone else?

Other than allowing male people access to any and all female only spaces, sports and everything else put in place to legally and physically protect female people on the basis of their sex?
Because if that's what you are actually in favour of you might want to question why you're prepared to have protections of ALL females removed to accommodate the feelings of a few males, which would be blatant sex discrimination and female oppression.
You're ok with that though I guess?

Onebreathmore · 03/09/2022 14:51

antelopevalley · 27/08/2022 15:16

Because lesbian is always a political word as to who counts. Do political lesbians count? Do women who have had relationships with men and now are with women count as lesbians? What about women still married to men who say they are lesbians?
These debates happened long before the transgender issue. It has always been a politically disputed term.

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We’re any of those other groups of lesbians abused and kicked out of Pride parades though?