Lesbians not welcome at Gay Pride

But I also think the gender-critical crowd are full of nice middle-class ladies who have had little contact with the police.

Plenty of "queer" people and their allies are also middle class and haven't had any engagement with the police, save for having an "ACAB" banner on their Twitter bio. "Abolish all prisons and free the workers!" LARPing.

I don't know where you get that idea from. The gender-critical 'crowd' is extremely disparate and includes lots of people of both sexes with plenty of experience of marches, protest groups and the like. In the UK they are more likely to be left-wing than right-wing, although there are people from all political parties perturbed by the flight from reason that gender ideology represents, and the many practical problems resulting from that, many of which are causing long-term harm to children, women and other vulnerable groups.

Helen Steel is gender critical. Ask her what she thinks about the police.

Ask the women who found themselves stuck on the stairs in the Jam Jar in Bristol trying to get to a meeting, with the police outside refusing to intervene. Ask the women who tried to hold a meeting in Manchester who couldn't gather by Mrs Pankhurst's statue, because trans rights activists were blocking the way. Once again, police refused to intervene. Ask the various women who've been arrested and interviewed under caution after complaints from trans rights activists - Marion Millar, Kellie-Jay Keen, Kate Scottow, Jennifer Swayne all come to mind. Ask those who've found that they have non-crime hate incidents recorded against their names by the police, which the police hadn't bothered even to tell them about, never mind try and find out if anything worth recording had even happened - Sarah Phillimore and Harry Miller, for example.

There's been plenty of discussion about the deep-seated misogyny in the police on this board over the years. The Met officers who've been sacked or imprisoned in recent months could fill dozens of threads single-handedly.

Yeah you understand nothing about LGBT if you can say this.

@Ereshkigalangcleg I agree. But I also think the gender-critical crowd are full of nice middle-class ladies who have had little contact with the police. Plenty of us knows the police often behave very badly. And to be honest, if they were not nice middle-class ladies they would be more likely to have been strip-searched and detained for a long period before being released without charge.

There are other issues for me, so no. This is an issue of selective police intervention in feminist v TRA protests.

Sorry, not just straight women but any women who "look straight" somehow.

So are all straight women going to sit out of this thread, if that's the problem?

Ah but did you not know? It is now up to straight women to decide what all Prides are like all around the country and condemn them, instead declaring what they should be like.

Cardiffpridedisrupter is a lesbian, as she made clear.

Ah but did you not know? It is now up to straight women to decide what all Prides are like all around the country and condemn them, instead declaring what they should be like.

@CardiffPridedisrupter - I agree with you entirely and support almost everything you do. However, now that you have clarified that you did stop the march (and well done for that protest) I do think that it was unfair to splash the policeman's face all across social media as he was only doing his job which was to remove a group from disrupting the march.

She didn't suggest that they were the wrong kind of women. Just that they were most likely "straight"

I was not at Cardiff Pride so can not comment. But my objection is not to people complaining about a named Pride event. My objection is that so many people are taking one event and then saying all Pride events are like that all around the country. That is blatantly untrue,

Well yes, so I'm not sure why you are being so disingenuous about the pp post. She made a true statement.

Well that has always been the case. Most women are not lesbians.

I'm also intrigued by the suggestion that women wearing "frocks and makeup" are the wrong kind of women, somehow. I could certainly produce many photos of Gender Critical women wearing those things, so I'm not quite sure what the problem is there.

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This is what @CardiffPridedisrupter described as being at her Pride, not just a "couple of drag queens":

You've brought your children to a parade where they could see all kinds of kink on display, including gay men in chaps and bare bums, men dressed as babies, men in drag. Did you take them through the marketplace at the end of the parade? How did you explain all the dildos and harnesses and stuff on sale there to the children?

Only a few women go to Pride??

She quite clearly meant out of all women in the country.

There were a couple of drag queens on the Pride I went to. You would have photographed them and a few trans people and claimed on twitter that this was what the Pride was like.
In reality there were a lot of older lesbians and gay men, various community organisations such as a local choir and football group, and some kids.

I think many homosexual people would be fine with staying at home and letting the young crowd have an increasingly wild rainbow Pride party if they'd had the courtesy to have names and identities of their own.

Instead of rebranding lesbian to mean anyone of any sex who happens to like the label, and homosexual as homogenderal (with a side order of increasingly overt homophobia) and 'LGB (as well as everything else) is all about kink and sex'.

Rather like had the TQ+ lobby gone for third spaces and calling themselves TW instead of insisting they were female women, biology doesn't exist and rape/death threats if you say hang on a minute, there'd be no scenes at all as they were at this Pride.

How many Prides recently have you all been to? They happen all around the country. There is so much bollocks written on this thread. Only a few women go to Pride?? What in the whole of the country? There were lots of women at my local Pride.
Many of you have either not been to a Pride ever, or not been to one for years. You just read twitter and think you know what every pride is like all around the country based on some tweets.

That's not what she's saying, though, is it. Only a few women go to Pride, and other posts on this thread have explained how it has changed over the years and why many older lesbians and gay men don't go any more. It's the women who do go along who seem to have a problem with the old and still mainstream definition of lesbianism.

@Artichokeleaves It was about that and it was not that long ago. But in the early 90s it began to change as there was a struggle between mainly gay men who wanted Pride to be a party, and other LGB people who wanted it to be political. For a while it tried to be both, but then morphed into just a party.
This came mainly from partying gay men.
There are some LGBT people from back then who still go to Pride, especially smaller local ones. But the larger ones that are about partying naturally attract a younger crowd.

It was just about equality of human and civil rights for same sex attracted people. That was all.

To not be sacked for being discovered to be gay.
To not be in a hospital waiting room where your partner of x years was being treated, with no entitlement to information because your relationship has no meaning, and their family, who may be hostile, can come in and make decisions over you for your partner despite that you share a home.
To be able to recognise your partner of decades in your will and in legal rights so that if you die they're not left unprotected.
To NOT be seen as a pervert or a risk to kids or any less moral or socially appropriate than a straight person, or someone inherently evil.

We're talking mid 80s, not that long ago in the UK. And right now you can go to youtube and see awful, terrible films of sobbing men being hurled off buildings for the sin of loving another man.

It was not us who declared this was all about sexuality, meaning sex, meaning how far can we push the boundaries, and a lot of feather boas and rainbows while homophobes took over all the fun bits and the publicity and made it a celebration of look at me.

Where are the homosexuals who were marching 30 years ago and remember the actual battle for rights? Most of them wouldn't go to Pride now if you bloody paid them, and I'm one of them.

That's odd, I thought you were just saying what all women really thought, but now it seems most women don't agree with you?

Taking young kids to pride is peak foolery.

It's not about showing your kids rainbows and posting in your insta. It's about important issues regarding sexuality, like this.

It's not for kids. It's about ADULT SEXUALITY.