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Bristol City Council consulting on new trans policy

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severnboring · 27/08/2022 08:35

www.ask.bristol.gov.uk/trans-inclusion-and-gender-diversity-policy-consultation

Following on from passing a 'TWAW TMAM' motion of which the former council Head of Legal said 'I have never seen such a manifestly unlawful motion', Bristol City Council are now consulting on their new 'Trans Inclusion and Gender Identity' policy.

Good thread here: twitter.com/nicjholland/status/1563290810665562112

Consultation open til Oct. It's comforting to know that as an economic crisis hits, at least the council tax money is being well spent by enlightened folx voting to put sani bins in the men's.

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IcakethereforeIam · 27/08/2022 12:21

When you put in your email do they send a message to check? I've got a Gmail I could use but I've totally forgotten the password.

334bu · 27/08/2022 11:53

Completed.

rabbitwoman · 27/08/2022 11:47

I have just filled it in.

I highly recommend everyone with a spare 15 mins does so - it's like the Forstater /Bailey cases never happened!!

Here is how I filled in the first section :

'There has been extensive debate both in Parliament, and more broadly, on how the inclusion of trans people impacts upon sex based rights, especially those of women, and the rights of same sex attracted people.

Prominent court cases such as the Forstater ET and the Allison Bailey ET have not only highlighted and scrutinised these impacts in a practical way, but shown how women objecting to the erosion of their sex based rights have been targeted and discriminated against. It has been proven that these objections are not bigoted or transphobic, and therefore must be considered in policy making. To fail to do so would be sex discrimination,and further, discrimination against anyone holding gender critical beliefs.

It has also been highlighted that making policies in line with advice from agencies such as Stonewall leaves employers and local authorities open to discrimination claims.'

It did not get much better either because yes, they have drafted it to say that people should chose facilities their gender aligns with and they also noted that they considered excluding trans women from women's facilities but decided there wasn't a good enough reason.

ZandathePanda · 27/08/2022 11:24

I can’t download it and so I don’t know if they mention (the dreaded) toilets. However, if anyone can complete it, can you mention that mixed sexed (gender neutral) toilets are being built with full height doors and this will adversely affect the safety of certain groups of people.

This is dangerous for epileptics and other people who fall ill, many of which may already be classed as disabled. It is much safer, and indeed a reason that doors have gaps at the bottom, that you can see if someone if they have collapsed. Indeed, many people found dead in public toilets (heart attacks/strokes) have been behind full height doors. And where do you go if you feel ill in public?

Gaps in toilet doors reduce the privacy for drug taking and sex. And for checking rooms quickly for evacuations. And the other reason is for hygiene (mopping and dispersal of smells).

It’s an elephant in the room why mix sexed toilets are usually built with full floor to ceiling doors. Everyone knows why but then ignores the obvious. It needs to be stated and risk assessments done.

Norma27 · 27/08/2022 10:59

I have just completed it too. Only have to give an email address to complete.

NecklessMumster · 27/08/2022 10:24

I've completed it. I wasn't very articulate as it makes me emotional but I tried to be measured. I work for BCC but don't live there, it accepted my registering just with my personal email and didn't ask for proof of any connection to Bristol so it looks to me like anyone in the country could complete it??

severnboring · 27/08/2022 10:15

That's weird, downloaded fine earlier.

It's the usual stuff, no definitions, most marginalised etc... basically it would get rid of single sex services. Interestingly they have been forced to add through gritted teeth that there is another perspective and mention Forstater etc

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/08/2022 09:52

334bu · 27/08/2022 09:36

Very bizarre that you have to email them for copies.

It's the Denton's model of forcing through change without democratic accountability - plus knowing that you're trying to push through change that will actively remove the rights of others so disenfranchising opposition is essential.

LunaLights · 27/08/2022 09:41

334bu · 27/08/2022 09:36

Very bizarre that you have to email them for copies.

I wonder if you have to give a name and address for the information to be sent….

334bu · 27/08/2022 09:36

Very bizarre that you have to email them for copies.

Hoardasurass · 27/08/2022 09:00

Hmm the site is unable to show the trans policy or the equality impact assessment as the links just bring up an error message funny that 🤔

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/08/2022 08:52

Bristol council is an alliance of Labour & Green. We all know what Bristol university is like. I expect the majority of Bristolians won’t have a clue about this while the city’s LGBTQ + networks will have a concerted campaign of completion

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