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Parents with inconvenient truths about trans

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/08/2022 18:01

This article was posted earlier today but the thread was deleted with the invitation to "feel free to discuss the article but avoid sweeping generalisations based on that"

The article raises all sorts of important questions about the nature of public discourse in relation to "trans" children and (according to the lesbian mother writer) details the hazards of social transitioning very young children which she now sees as "an intentional process of concretizing transgender identity in children as young as 3 years old - the age of the youngest child in this group. When identity is concretized at this young of age, children will grow up actually believing they are the opposite sex. How could medicalization not follow?"

I'm not sure if it's possible to discuss this powerful piece without drawing conclusions and there's evidently a lot of unease about the words of this lesbian parent being openly heard. Which perhaps makes it even more important to ensure a site "by parents, for parents" allows this important discussion? Maybe we can try another discussion and keep within the talk guidelines - or just have the freedom to read her words?

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Nataloof · 26/08/2022 18:34

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 26/08/2022 18:20

It has always struck me as incredibly regressive and old fashioned to assign everything into gender stereotype boxes, and then to use a person’s likes and dislikes, interests, passions hobbies, job etc to assign them into the box marked male or the one marked female.

Even if you can divide everything into ‘Boys’ Things’ and Girls’ Things’, surely no-one (or nearly no-one) fits perfectly into one box or the other. I have short hair, love watching rugby and road race cycling, almost never wear make up - clear,y ‘Boy’ box - but I never wear trousers, love skirts and pink, and my hobbies include embroidery, knitting and crochet - so ‘Girl’ box - and I am 100% sure that the vast majority of people are the same.

Wouldn't it be more progressive to tell every child - indeed every person - that they can wear, like, enjoy whatever they want, but that their choices don’t nail them into one box or the other? Isn’t a modern society one that tolerates and accepts men wearing skirts and make up, boys liking pink, sparkly things and playing with dolls, girls and women loving playing rugby and football, getting dirty, and living in jeans without telling them that their choices mean they were ‘born in the wrong body’ and need medication and surgery?

I saw a meme on FB that said “A woman is someone with a female body and any personality, not someone with a female personality and any body”, and this is the progressive view, imo.

Perfectly put 💖

picklemewalnuts · 26/08/2022 18:33

Perhaps we can make a special effort not to engage with ploppers and stirrers? Seagulls and Sealions et al.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/08/2022 18:29

Zerogravity · 26/08/2022 18:19

Much as I hate to say it, it's probably best to avoid discussing it here and just leave the link (and bump it up) every now and again as everyone should read it.

That's a very good suggestion Zerogravity. The article is so important for parents to read and reflect on. But very sad as it's from the discussions that we all learn and tease out the issues - especially in relation to our parenting.

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SpindleInTheWind · 26/08/2022 18:28

Thanks for this. I've bookmarked the article and will read it thoroughly.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/08/2022 18:27

I would think this section resonates with countless UK parents who are being pressurised to uncritically affirm their child's decision that they've been "born in the wrong body".
"we were also told that transgender identity takes a few years to develop in children. They told us that during this period, it is very important to protect the child's transgender identity, and therefore, you must eliminate contact with any family or friends who do not support this identity or go along with it."
Most of the trans guidelines (written for schools by self invested adults and queer theory pressure groups) signpost schools and children to social services to tackle parents who raise concerns about social contagion, safeguarding and the use of untested unevidenced medication on children's bodies.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 26/08/2022 18:20

It has always struck me as incredibly regressive and old fashioned to assign everything into gender stereotype boxes, and then to use a person’s likes and dislikes, interests, passions hobbies, job etc to assign them into the box marked male or the one marked female.

Even if you can divide everything into ‘Boys’ Things’ and Girls’ Things’, surely no-one (or nearly no-one) fits perfectly into one box or the other. I have short hair, love watching rugby and road race cycling, almost never wear make up - clear,y ‘Boy’ box - but I never wear trousers, love skirts and pink, and my hobbies include embroidery, knitting and crochet - so ‘Girl’ box - and I am 100% sure that the vast majority of people are the same.

Wouldn't it be more progressive to tell every child - indeed every person - that they can wear, like, enjoy whatever they want, but that their choices don’t nail them into one box or the other? Isn’t a modern society one that tolerates and accepts men wearing skirts and make up, boys liking pink, sparkly things and playing with dolls, girls and women loving playing rugby and football, getting dirty, and living in jeans without telling them that their choices mean they were ‘born in the wrong body’ and need medication and surgery?

I saw a meme on FB that said “A woman is someone with a female body and any personality, not someone with a female personality and any body”, and this is the progressive view, imo.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/08/2022 18:20

I hope one of the newspapers picks it up.

Zerogravity · 26/08/2022 18:19

Much as I hate to say it, it's probably best to avoid discussing it here and just leave the link (and bump it up) every now and again as everyone should read it.

Norma27 · 26/08/2022 18:18

This is such a heartbreaking article. Those who are trying to prevent it being read are despicable. As are those who comply with preventing it being read.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/08/2022 18:12

It's an exceptionally important article. Makes for very uncomfortable reading.

picklemewalnuts · 26/08/2022 18:11

There's a really interesting conversation to be had here! I just wish I could remember what was aid on the original one!

inkjet · 26/08/2022 18:07

I arrived on the thread to find the deletion message. I think we do need to hear from parents who’ve been through this and changed their minds, God knows we hear enough from those at the start of this.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/08/2022 18:04

Thanks for reposting.