Mother sues all-girls school for not accepting trans daughter

The "bathroom" thing is really helpful in day to day conversion.

If someone who's not American uses the word, you know you're probably dealing with someone who has swallowed a whole package of ideas together. They will likely feel strongly, but not actually thought much of it through.

Excellent this kind of case really needs to happen to publicise the issues. I've yet to hear from a TRA precisely how it is transphobic to group female people inclusive of all gender IDs, but it does seem to be.

A private girls school near me is working on its Stonewall gold award. I've often wondered if they would let my (fairly gnc, constantly miss-sexed) son sit the 11 plus? If not, would they let him sit it if he said special words? And if he says special words in the future, won't the narrative be that he was always she, so shouldn't they let him sit it on the off-chance?

The trans advice for Queensland government schools is horrifying - and quite obviously lifted from American trans ideology (Australians do not refer to bathrooms, yet these guidelines are full of the term). The fall out from this will be horrific…

Identify as anything you like. If you have a penis you are a male!

I find it hard to understand disdain for the word 'girl' as anything other than misogyny. It isn't a dirty word.

I don’t know about all schools but the GDST have said they’ll based admissions on legal sex as recorded on the birth certificate.

I’m not usually this superficial but I can’t get past the names in the Giggle vs Tickle case. It’s like some kind of Mister Men showdown 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️

As you were….

Suella Braverman clarified this in her recent speech: girls' schools can legitimately exclude male children identifying as trans, and vice versa.

There are no males in that school until 6th form which has separated buildings.

This was a ceremony only for female students being a girl's school. So, yes, those teachers were obviously showing their displeasure at referring to the students as 'girls' and not as generic 'students'.

And this action was also directed towards speakers were directly talking about about empowering girls specifically in relation to discrimination. Some were from outside the school - and were inspirational young women from the local community.

This is my interpretation as well.

Thanks Julia Gillard! If I remember correctly, she was directly involved in this.

The school’s position seems to be that there are other factors which mean that this poor child does not qualify as a pupil.other schools are available.

I fear that this is an example of MbP in action. The mother ( the father does not seem to be involved) has not only subjected her child to a dangerous medical intervention at a very young age, she now seems to weaponising the child in her relentless search for attention.

If the mum doesn’t like it, she could send all her kids to the co-ed school. I feel sorry for the girls currently attending the school. It must be difficult to feel under attack in this way.

From the school website

Carinity Education SoCarinity Education Southside is one of five schools operated by Carinity. Our brother school in Hervey Bay, Carinity Education Glendyne, is based on a similar education model and is co-educational.

So the same education is provided at a different site just in a co-ed setting.

A fine example.of wanting things both ways. Remaining in a girls school then objecting to being called a girl.. erm no.

And this also could be an example of the delicate nature if some "allies " who constantly get offended on the behalf of others. Those girls who are trans identifying may be quite happy to he doing so in the knowledge they wont be placed in unsafe positions or have to make a choice between their safety and their identity. Its the safe place to explore identity and thats a positive for those female children. They may not be asking for the interference of teachers desperately seeking to validate their SJW statuses

So what's the beef with referring to the students as girls? Is it because some of them might not identify as girls?

I imagine some might be transboys or non-binary. But really the the teachers weren't behaving appropriately and the answer isn't to eliminate the word girl.

I find this so confusing. Surely trans girls want to be referred to as "girls" - isn't that the point? So what's the beef with referring to the students as girls? Is it because some of them might not identify as girls?

The school isn't saying they are denying them a place because the child is transgender. They even say they have other transgender pupils, although I'd hazard a guess that they are trans boys.

Hormone blockers at 12 though, how can children that age (and I'm assuming Harley was younger, when prescribed) make these decisions?

Australia’s sex discrimination laws have both sex and gender identity, which means they’re in conflict with each other. Sall Grover’s Giggle vs Tickle case was going to be the first test of this in court before it was dropped. So there was never been a challenge to it.

I believe that legally, the way it is written, neither trumps the other and comes down to the case argued. Which is shit.

What would be the situation for this scenario in England? Does anyone know? We have a couple of girls Grammar schools in our are and one fairly famous all girls private school.

As the school has a requirement that a child is not enrolled or attending another school it suggests that the trans child has a place elsewhere where their needs are met. I gather it priorities those where there maybe a need other schools cannot offer. Seems reasonable to me. Gather this has been going on since March and some mediation has taken place but the mother isn’t happy.

Those two teachers really shouldn’t be teaching girls if they think the word girl is such a ‘dirty’ word. What message does that send to the girls at the school.

Would the mother not ask herself if her child’s best interests are served in that school? Obviously child knows they have been rejected.

So apparently the child doesn't meet the criterion of being marginalised, which is an entirely fair reason to exclude them. If it wasn't for that, I'm not sure whether they could legitimately exclude the child on the grounds of being male. In Australia some states have implemented gender self-ID for adults, but I don't think it applies to children.

Looking at the school's own website ot is interesting that all the photos show only female pupils but all the language is bery carefully gender-neutral.

Earlier this year, I attended a leavers ceremony for a girl’s school. And every mention of the word ‘girl’ by speakers was noted with an obvious shared glance of disdain between two teachers wearing rainbow lanyards.

It was not subtle and was noticed by others, not just me, including some of the girls at the ceremony.

I remember that Julia Gillard was involved in including Gender identity in the discrimination laws (I am a bit fuzzy now on the wording, it has been a while since I read through it) in 2013. After Yogyakarta.

I will go and refresh my memory. I have heard it said that it adds complexity to these decisions. It will be a case to watch though, because it will alert many Australians who are unaware of what is happening.

It would be much better if she taught her child that not everything is for them and other people matter, including the child's sister.