"Transwomen should be legally considered women" - debate

Particularly brave to say it at Berkeley, which is Woke Central.

But they're not women. They're men.

Men will never be women no matter how many body parts they remove, or how much medication they take.

I've watched a couple of these and they make me so incredibly annoyed, I just can't!

One the other day about men in women's sports and the young women who were pro-men were so aggressive, manipulative and disingenuous it was actually quite scary. No critical thinking. No listening to the opposing view, just name-calling and hyperbole. Beyond infuriating.

I recommend reading Jonathan Haidt's books The Coddling of the American Mind, and The Righteous Mind for an understanding of these people. As to how we can encourage them to use science and reason instead of emotion and mantras, I really don't know

The only way anyone who claims to be a woman can actually be one, is if the only definition of “woman” is “person who says they are a woman”. If being a woman is just a nomenclature thing, not an actual thing. That can’t stand. So no.

The difference between the older of the two women and the man was quite stark. He has no skin in the game and he wanted to 'be kind' until the molecular geneticist spelled out a possible consequence of 'just' changing his drivers licence. He obviously had not given it a thought.

The younger women knows she can't change her mind publicly as she would be shunned by her peers.

I think the older woman was stunningly brave to say what she did - and it was interesting the audience applauded her. She got by far the biggest round of applause so perhaps all is not lost. She was frightened to say it as she too knows about being shunned for speaking out. But still she said it - go her!

There was talk of 'fully transitioned' - are they not aware of the massively high percentage of men who transition who do not have 'bottom surgery'?

And closer to home for most of us we are talking about men on female only hospital wards, no right to have personal care performed for elderly relatives by a female care assistant in care homes, personal searches at airports, men in female changing rooms at gyms and pools………..

If they should be legally treated as women, then that means mixed sex prisons, and vulnerable women (84% of which are there for non-violent crime, and some of whom have committed no crime, but are there under the Mental Health Act because of inadequate mental health unit provision!) sharing a cell, and maybe a slopbucket, with a male stranger.

No thank you.

If anyone can give me a definition of trans woman that is logically distinguishable from 'any man that wants to be' we can certainly talk about it further. Otherwise the demand should be judged as; any man that wants to be should be legally treated as a woman.

Umm no thank you.

If any of these kind and lovely people want to get into the nitty gritty of when and where it's ok versus when and where there are good reasons to recognise the reality of the sex of the person or people you're discussing, ok we can certainly talk about it further. Otherwise the demand is; any man that wants to be should be legally treated as a woman for any and all purposes regardless of safety, dignity, fairness or safeguarding issues and detriments this would cause women and girls.

Umm no thank you. It's just bad manners to not give a damn about the feelings of other people.

Nope!

The young woman didn't have one credible argument. It was basically "be kind". Quite worrying she is training to be a molecular geneticist.