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Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women

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JanieAllen · 17/08/2022 13:33

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-fringe-comic-spat-shunned-27762754

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Artichokeleaves · 24/08/2022 14:01

I think North Korea are quite good at this, the armed guards who walk the crowd checking everyone claps and cries in the right places and arresting those who aren't doing it convincingly enough?

TheClogLady · 24/08/2022 13:50

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:31

Maybe it will be a hate crime in Scotland now to not laugh at shows at the Edinburgh Fringe😂

Laughing AT the wrong kind of shows will also become a hate crime.

and in seemingly Kafka-esque fashion you won’t be told whether you laughed at the wrong show or failed to laugh at the correct show as both shows will be running at the exact same time in the exact same venue.

Banderita · 24/08/2022 13:48

She was seen cavorting with known problematic persons

Would you mind telling us why you think Glinner is a 'known problematic person' @PeriodBro?

Helleofabore · 24/08/2022 13:45

Just watched another couple of videos of Ives' gigs.... not funny at all. My take out is that they get a few laughs here and there. And even at the end... the applause was not all that enthusiastic.

meh. Maybe DadJoke can accept that Ives' is not funny, and has little respect for others.

In fact, it would seem to be hypocritical to accuse (hence why the accusation is from someone else) people attending their show with ulterior motives anyway. Considering just what they did at the LGB Alliance Conference.

But hey.... never let the truth get in the way ...

morningtoncrescent62 · 24/08/2022 13:43

If this is the kind of ageist awkward non-comedy in Jen Ives's show, I can suggest another explanation for the "whole row" of people who failed to laugh.

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 13:32

Don't go giving them any ideas, Rhannion.

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:31

Maybe it will be a hate crime in Scotland now to not laugh at shows at the Edinburgh Fringe😂

Beowulfa · 24/08/2022 13:30

Elaine Miller is a physiotherapist specialising in women's health ie post partum and menopausal issues. This field includes transmen and "nonbinary" females.

Can anyone explain HOW exactly her expertise would be relevant to a transwoman? Either with a functioning penis or an inverted one?

It would be like going to a criminal barrister then complaining that they couldn't do the conveyancing for your house purchase.

HouseOfGoldandBones · 24/08/2022 13:29

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 02:30

No one has a problem with shows about vulvas and vaginas - the headline is wrong.

The issue is that she is gender critical / transphobic.

I notice you’ve kept quiet about Jen Ives, also at Edinburgh who received transphobic abuse, and bunch of transphobes booked out the front row and sat in silence with their arms crossed.

So far you've suggested that "transphobia" is knowing the definition of woman & not laughing at an unfunny comedian.

I'm getting the impression that you're just an angry man who enjoys writing silly things on the Internet.

RhannionKPSS · 24/08/2022 13:29

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 02:30

No one has a problem with shows about vulvas and vaginas - the headline is wrong.

The issue is that she is gender critical / transphobic.

I notice you’ve kept quiet about Jen Ives, also at Edinburgh who received transphobic abuse, and bunch of transphobes booked out the front row and sat in silence with their arms crossed.

Who the hell has got money & time to spend going to a comedy show and not laugh? 😂Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe Jen isn’t funny? Do you seriously think anyone could be bothered to do that?

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:26

Are we going to have to get out our camping chairs and picnic food for a long wait again?

Artichokeleaves · 24/08/2022 13:26

DadJoke · 24/08/2022 11:22

No, the problem is the headline implies people had an issue with a set about vulvas and vaginas, when, in fact, they had an issue with her transphobic views. It’s really not that complicated.

Yup. Infidel.

As I said, your issues with religious intolerance are your issues.

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 13:26

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:22

Or is that literally it?

"She has been on Graham Linehan's show - burn the witch!"

She was seen cavorting with known problematic persons, and did sit with arms afolded and verily not a smirk nor a chuckle was seen to pass her lips the whole time the blessed kind and gentle comedienne was making jokes about hating old people. BURN THE WITCH.

HouseOfGoldandBones · 24/08/2022 13:23

DadJoke · 23/08/2022 15:24

I can paraphrase it easily enough - trans women are not women. That's the transphobic bit. If you read the article, you know the issue isn't that she did a comedy set about people with vulvas and child birth.

But they're not.

By any objective criteria.

The show is about women, not people with vulvas.

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:22

Or is that literally it?

"She has been on Graham Linehan's show - burn the witch!"

yourhairiswinterfire · 24/08/2022 13:20

As I said, has anyone reported this hate crime?

They should, PeriodBro.

If we let people get away with sitting quietly with their arms crossed, it'll embolden them to behave even more violently next time.

If this behaviour isn't nipped in the bud, what next? A tut? Yawning? Eye-rolling?! It doesn't bear thinking about 😢

A check of their thinking is in order.

ScreamingMeMe · 24/08/2022 13:20

honesty87 · 24/08/2022 13:10

Well, she's been on Graham Linehan's show and thats always a good sign.

Please elaborate.

Tillitscool · 24/08/2022 13:11

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2022 11:30

How’s she transphobic?

She's not!

Sazzasez · 24/08/2022 13:11

Anyone know how many seats in a row?

It’s £12 a ticket so it’s very generous of the Terven to support a stunning & brave comedien like this.

honesty87 · 24/08/2022 13:10

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2022 11:30

How’s she transphobic?

Well, she's been on Graham Linehan's show and thats always a good sign.

Tillitscool · 24/08/2022 13:07

littlbrowndog · 24/08/2022 11:30

How’s she transphobic?

S

viques · 24/08/2022 13:05

PeriodBro · 24/08/2022 12:16

So - where are we? A whole row of Jen Ives' audience failed to laugh?

As I said, has anyone reported this hate crime?

Really? Just the one row? Clearly there are a lot more be kind people around than I would have expected having watched that sad clip. If I was paying to see an hour of that lacklustre effort I probably wouldn’t have walked out ( unless I was sitting at the end of a row) but I wouldn’t have laughed either.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/08/2022 12:50

Yes I can imagine how it would be easier not to laugh at Jen Ives. Perhaps it is true after all.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 24/08/2022 12:40

Ever try to sit through a funny comedians show and force yourself not to laugh?

It's not easy to purposefully not laugh at a proper funny person

From Twitter. That's very true.

viques · 24/08/2022 12:35

WanOvaryKenobi · 22/08/2022 19:46

Ok so I have heard back from my complaint.

I did not even get an apology.

They are not taking any action against the member of staff despite multiple reports of abuse and clear breaches of their code of conduct. They have apparently moved him to a different venue.

I am furious.

Isn’t that what the RC church used to do / does with troublesome priests who are caught fiddling with their parishioners. It’s a dangerous and dishonest way to deal with behaviour that you know is wrong. It gives the behaviour legitimacy, it gives the person involved the sense that they are the one being victimised. By simply moving the worker to another venue they are colluding in the behaviour.