Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women

There was a clear nudity warning on Gray's show. It wasn't the only show which featured nudity.

So why was the second performance cancelled? You've constructed a rather flimsy argument about why the selective outrage, but you've forgotten that you're supposed to be justifying the cancellation, and have totally failed to.

All that was required, according to your argument, was a piece of A4 stuck to the doors of the theatre adding the allegedly-missing nudity warning.

I’m sure someone can make Elaine a prop cock!! 😂

Did you see the bottle of champagne with Viva your Vulva label & 💚🤍💜ribbons on it?

icake - yes, she told me she’d tour. Needs pub function rooms rather than theatres so she can speak to the womem

I am not sure how she’d get around the compulsory cock out for comedy routine.
Maybe she should have a puppet?

Sadowitz himself has said he got his penis out

... but didn't say that 'apparently deliberately unzipp[ed] himself in close proximity of and targeting one female audience member' which was what you stated earlier.
Are you being deliberately disingenuous?

Sadowitz himself has said he got his penis out.

"I was at the show. He called Rishi Sunak a 'p—,' said the economy was awful because it is run by 'blacks and women,'" one audience member told The Sun. "He got his penis out to a woman in the front row.

Well we know the first part of the 'eye witness' statement is untrue. JS didn't call Sunak 'a p-', he said that the tories would call him 'a p-'.
That's not the same thing. I wish JS hadn't used the word, I'd be happy if I never heard it again, but he didn't call anyone by that word.

So, as we know the first part of the statement is untrue we have no reason to assume that the second part is true, do we?

Did she say anything about taking her show on the road?

Not hugely interested in various people getting their dicks out on stage.

But am delighted that I made it to see Viva your Vulva! Brilliant show and Elaine Miller is an inspiration.

There was a clear nudity warning on Gray's show. It wasn't the only show which featured nudity.

It has damn all to do with "what type of men"

It isn't a suggestion, it is as plain as day which type of men are allowed to get away with getting their penis out.

www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/15/jerry-sadowitz-hits-back-after-show-cancelled-edinburgh-fringe

Sadowitz said he exposed himself in the show “for the purpose of the funny line which follows it”

Some posters on here are trying to make something out of the fact Gray was naked and it's somehow unfair to Sadowitz that he couldn't get away with this too.

"I was at the show. He called Rishi Sunak a 'p—,' said the economy was awful because it is run by 'blacks and women,'" one audience member told The Sun. "He got his penis out to a woman in the front row. The problem was not the audience – I knew he was an acquired taste. It was his indefensible content." The Guardian reports that about 30 to 40 people walked out, but Sadowitz claimed he didn't see anyone leave.

^popculture.com/celebrity/news/comedian-jerry-sadowitz-show-canceled-alllegedly-exposing-racist-slur/^

apparently deliberately unzipping himself in close proximity of and targeting one female audience member

apparently

Nobody seems to have the full facts, yet you're prepared to condemn someone for what they 'apparently' did. Nice.

Jordan equating a naked grown man with a naked toddler is making me a little queasy, but perhaps it's in the delivery. Otherwise completely agree, as the nudity was flagged, that's not problematic.

I thought the statement cancelling Sadowitz didn't mention his penis, but I may be misremembering.

I don't know and for the purposes of this current discussion, I don't much care.

I really don't like the recent posts trying to suggest Jordan Gray got away with something and Sadowitz didn't.

I thought the people that were upset by Sadowitz were staff, not attendees?

Nope. The fault lies 100% with Sadowitz. The onus is on the performer to provide accurate information to the Fringe website.

There were over 3,000 shows at the Fringe. Acts are not "booked" by "booker/venue/ticket sales agent/the system". That's not how the Fringe works. The performers book a performing space- they are not booked by the venue or a promoter. Other than possibly The Traverse, which is quasi- official, the venues don't exercise any control or sifting of who books a space.

It's beyond realistic to expect the venues to check the level of detail you are suggesting and that's not how the deal works.

I've no idea that Sadowitz has been doing this for decades. I've been attending the Fringe for over 30 years. He's not a performer I have any desire to see but I wasn't aware of this.

There were many acts which provided information on the official website that nudity, sexual references etc, were involved. Sadowitz chose to ignore that.

It should have been advanced disclosed on the website and at the venue, definitely.

but Sadowitz has been getting his dick out for decades without anyone shutting the show down previously, so I’d say the fault lies with the booker/venue/ticket sales agent/the system that collects advance info on the performance, rather than the performer.

There was a nudity warning for Gray's show on the official Fringe website.

There's no reason to complain about or criticise a show which warned you there would be nudity if it does, actually, have nudity.

On the official Fringe website Jordan Gray's show has a warning that there will be nudity.

Warnings and additional info: Audience participation, Nudity, Strong language/swearing

Jerry Sadowitz's show has no warning about nudity.

Warnings and additional info: This show contains strong language and themes some may find distressing.

There's also a big difference between appearing naked onstage before the whole audience and apparently deliberately unzipping himself in close proximity of and targeting one female audience member. Sadowitz did not disclose there would be nudity and it seems audience participation - i.e forcing someone to look at his penis.

And please don't make the excuse that Sadowitz said somewhere on some social media site about getting his dick out. That should have been disclosed on the Fringe website.

Has anyone told Jerry Sadowitz? Perhaps the surgical addition of something boob-like could get his festival invite restored?

Gosh yes it seems so

Well this is interesting. Sometimes it's ok to get your dick out.

Haha! I totally get that. My FFS klaxon is never turned off.

It's why I massively appreciated, and still do, Magdalen Berns' contemptuous and frustrated snort of 'oh fuck off, you wanker'.

After all, it does just about cover every single eventuality 😁

Datun this is another of your posts that I will find myself using in everyday conversations. Thank goodness for people like you on here, who can articulate what I cant, mostly because my frustration short-wires the language part of my brain and I go straight to "oh for f*ks sake - that's ridiculous".

We've been socialised to shut up and get on with things without making a fuss, to put ourselves last, to keep quiet about things which are reminders about the bits of femaleness that don't interest men, e.g. pelvic floor issues. There's a pained surprise in some quarters when women insist on talking about these things. Not very ladylike! Not very kind!

It's been interesting (in a way) to see the bits of the female experience that some attention-seeking TW on Twitter latch onto, and also to see that some people who appear to be women fawn over them and give them a lot more uncritical attention and support than a run of the mill woman would get. Periods are the obvious one. 'It's my time of the month! I've laid in stocks of chocolate. I get so emotional and the cramps are awful. Don't let anyone tell you that transladies don't have periods because we do!'. Cue dozens of replies: 'You go, girl! I'm just the same' etc etc. The nasty cynical bigots who try to talk about biology, wombs, menstruation, progesterone and so on are blocked, of course.