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Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women

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JanieAllen · 17/08/2022 13:33

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-fringe-comic-spat-shunned-27762754

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RhannionKPSS · 21/08/2022 00:46

Please DM me

FactsAreNotMean · 21/08/2022 00:07

The second thread has gone a bit nuts - someone openly saying they're going to complain to someone's employer about them having GC views so they can get retrained. Wtf

This is why women are scared to speak. It's insanity.

Whereareyourshoes · 20/08/2022 22:22

@FrustratedEgg thank you for posting in that group - am also a member. Positive to see the support for Elaine and her show. Only a small number of word salad warriors on there but at least they help shine more light on this subject. Not joining in the conversation on FB as I get too pissed off by those twisting words and meanings and am like to say something unhelpful to the situation.

I’m not able to go to the show (finances too tight for any fringe shows this year) but I’ve shared Elaine’s speech from Alloa with a number of people. As she said, these issues really are a matter of life and death for women (the old fashioned cunty kind). I am so full of admiration for Elaine and I hope she is encouraged by how much support there is for her despite the hate from the think-they’re-inclusive-but-really-aren’t crowd.

RhannionKPSS · 20/08/2022 22:14

KK has seen the show, she was there last week. That is one of the reasons the toilets went back to women only & the non gender are now marked urinals & cubicles ie the mens.

Bindayagain · 20/08/2022 20:56

I've just been, very, very funny and also very important. Seemed really well received by the audience too.

Amelanchier · 20/08/2022 20:40

Both the people I looked up seemed to be very young.

You could be right about timing of KR's comment.

Letsgetlostt · 20/08/2022 20:31

@Amelanchier Has KR shown her support? She said she would go and see the show but that was before the transphobic tag team really got going. I thought the thread would be pulled. One appears to be a Clinical
Associate in Applied Psychology..

Amelanchier · 20/08/2022 20:27

@FrustratedEgg well done for the FB thread. I am also a member of that group and it really is only 2 or 3 that are making the accusations. Otherwise it is heartening to see the support for Elaine including from site owner, KR.

Artichokeleaves · 20/08/2022 20:03

Letsgetlostt · 20/08/2022 15:43

Is anyone following the latest? We now have-
A poster has been uncomfortable in situations with other males, but transwomen are fine as they are harmless.

Men would never pretend to be trans to harm women as that is 'ridiculous'.

Can they really not see how short sighted that is.

You honestly might as well try to argue with someone who insists that you will go to hell unless you're 'saved'. It's the same zealotry, rational thinking doesn't play a part.

NonnyMouse1337 · 20/08/2022 18:20

A poster has been uncomfortable in situations with other males

Tell her to stop being such a sexist bigot. Why is she uncomfortable around men?! The vast majority are decent and honourable. She should be glad to share any kind of space with them. In fact, I'd highly recommend she uses men's facilities and she'll soon realise she was just being prejudiced and small minded towards one half of the human race.

LoopyGremlin · 20/08/2022 16:47

I have seen your post on Facebook @FrustratedEgg
well done 🙌 Definitely going to get a ticket to show Elaine my support.

FactsAreNotMean · 20/08/2022 16:37

FrustratedEgg · 20/08/2022 15:57

Name change for this, I am the person who started the post on FB and I'm so upset at how it's been derailed. I was trying to do something for Elaine so she could see the positivity out there for her but 2-3 posters have just repeated the accusations of transphobia over and over.

I can't reply publicly as my employer is stonewalled to the max and I've spotted some colleagues, but I honestly thing the volume of positive responses outweighs the negative. Its only a handful of people.

The other thread about the FWS protest is worse in that the transphobe shouters got in earlier, but nobody is engaging with them. They're shouting in to the void - I think people recognise when it's not worth arguing

FrustratedEgg · 20/08/2022 16:06

@Letsgetlostt Thank you, I'm delighted you'll get to see it, and I really hope loads of others do too so that they can not only see Elaine's fabulous show but also see what those three women on that post were arguing against us being able to say out loud! I'm so angry!

Letsgetlostt · 20/08/2022 16:00

@FrustratedEgg well I am now going to see her show off the back of your thread and I bet others are too. Full support to Elaine.

FrustratedEgg · 20/08/2022 15:57

Letsgetlostt · 20/08/2022 15:43

Is anyone following the latest? We now have-
A poster has been uncomfortable in situations with other males, but transwomen are fine as they are harmless.

Men would never pretend to be trans to harm women as that is 'ridiculous'.

Can they really not see how short sighted that is.

Name change for this, I am the person who started the post on FB and I'm so upset at how it's been derailed. I was trying to do something for Elaine so she could see the positivity out there for her but 2-3 posters have just repeated the accusations of transphobia over and over.

Letsgetlostt · 20/08/2022 15:43

Is anyone following the latest? We now have-
A poster has been uncomfortable in situations with other males, but transwomen are fine as they are harmless.

Men would never pretend to be trans to harm women as that is 'ridiculous'.

Can they really not see how short sighted that is.

dudsville · 20/08/2022 15:05

As a result of watching Gusset Grippers I've messaged my Mum with all the facts from her speech and will pick it up now as a topic of conversation with friends and share the clip.

dudsville · 20/08/2022 14:30

I did not know her but now, thanks to the idiots, I do. I'm now watching Gusset Grippers Alloa Festival and she's brilliant, so smart.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/08/2022 14:25

Got my ticket for Tuesday!

FactsAreNotMean · 20/08/2022 14:13

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/08/2022 13:54

Going to guess not the meadows page - that is generally full of comments about how the police are "literally" killing trans people in the meadows.

No, I think the Meadows page is long lost! Bit like much of the uni...

Sexnotgender · 20/08/2022 14:01

Fucking hell, how disgusting. The misogyny is unbelievable.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/08/2022 13:54

Lerouge · 19/08/2022 13:25

I am heartened to see a post about this on an Edinburgh based FB page - hundreds of likes in support of Elaine and not one unsupportive comment. Maybe telling women they can't talk about their specific biology is finally being revealed as the misogyny it clearly is.

Going to guess not the meadows page - that is generally full of comments about how the police are "literally" killing trans people in the meadows.

applesandpears33 · 20/08/2022 13:51

Thanks. That makes sense now. Still don't agree with it though. I don't like being reduced to a set of body parts.

Artichokeleaves · 20/08/2022 13:51

In essence, mentioning female biology makes some male people feel upset.

So females should shut up and everyone should not talk about it.

Hail misogyny.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 20/08/2022 13:17

Why should a physio who specialises in female anatomy be expected to discuss male anatomy, which isn't her area of expertise?

They don't want her to discuss male anatomy, they want to stop her using the words woman and women, and probably female too, in her shows that are solely about female anatomy, because the males who claim to be women will not allow those words to be used to, ya know, describe women because is points out the fucking obvious biological and anatomical differences between the sexes.